paradox3 ---your quote ------No, not really. How does a person who lacks the capacity to understand "receive Jesus" in your view?
unsafe says ---there are many who believe there is an age of accountability -----that is children are deemed by God Innocent until they know Right from Wrong ----To be a Sinner one has to act out the sin ------God's Word says ---Where there is no law to break there is no sin -----
unsafe says -----This is a controversial subject just because the scripture does not address this issue head on -------that is ---- there is no scripture that says directly there is an age of accountability but there are scripture that do have an age attached to them ------
I personally believe that the need for understanding the passage in Exodus is needed ------
Exodus 34:7 (CSB)
7 maintaining faithful love to a thousand generations, forgiving iniquity, rebellion, and sin. But he will not leave the guilty unpunished,
bringing the fathers’ iniquity on the children and grandchildren to the third and fourth generation.
unsafe says ------Iniquity is what is passed on not the sins of the Father ------So understanding what Iniquity is ---is very important here -------Iniquity is not Sin -----they are separate things -----Every time we commit a sin we keep ourselves away from God ------We are all born being Shaped in Iniquity -----we are not Sinners till we actually do the Sin -------and this is so misunderstood ------
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What is Iniquity? Bible Definition and Meaning
INIQUITY
in-ik'-wi-ti (`awon; anomia):
In the Old Testament of the 11 words translated "iniquity," by far the most common and important is `awon (about 215 times). Etymologically, it is customary to explain it as meaning literally
"crookedness," "perverseness," i.e.
evil regarded as that which is not straight or upright, moral distortion (from `iwwah, "
to bend," "make crooked," "pervert"). Driver, however (following Lagarde), maintains that two roots, distinct in Arabic, have been confused in Hebrew, one equals "to bend," "pervert" (as above), and the other equals "to err," "go astray"; that `awon is derived from the latter, and consequently expresses the idea of error, deviation from the right path, rather than that of perversion (Driver, Notes on Sam, 135 note) Whichever etymology is adopted, in actual usage it has three meanings which almost imperceptibly pass into each other:
(1) iniquity,
(2) guilt of iniquity,
(3) punishment of iniquity.
Primarily, it denotes "not an action, but the character of an action" (Oehler), and is so distinguished from "sin" (chaTTa'th). Hence, we have the expression "the iniquity of my sin" (Psalms 32:5).
Thus the meaning glides into that of "guilt," which might often take the place of "iniquity" as the translation of `awon (
Genesis 15:16;
Exodus 34:7;
Jeremiah 2:22, etc.). From "guilt" it again passes into the meaning of "punishment of guilt," just as Latin piaculum may denote both guilt and its punishment. The transition is all the easier in Hebrew because of the Hebrew sense of the intimate relation of sin and suffering, e.g.
Genesis 4:13, "My punishment is greater than I can bear"; which is obviously to be preferred to King James Version margin, the Revised Version, margin "Mine iniquity is greater than can be forgiven," for Cain is not so much expressing sorrow for his sin, as complaining of the severity of his punishment; compare
2 Kings 7:9 (the Revised Version (British and American) "punishment," the Revised Version margin "iniquity");
Isaiah 5:18 (where for "iniquity" we might have "punishment of iniquity," as in
Leviticus 26:41,43, etc.);
Isaiah 40:2 ("iniquity," the Revised Version margin "punishment"). The phrase "bear iniquity" is a standing expression for bearing its consequences, i.e. its penalty; generally of the sinner bearing the results of his own iniquity (
Leviticus 17:16;
20:17,19;
Numbers 14:34;
Ezekiel 44:10, etc.), but sometimes of one bearing the iniquity of another vicariously, and so taking it away (e.g.
Ezekiel 4:4; 18:19 f). Of special interest in the latter sense are the sufferings of the Servant of Yahweh, who shall "bear the iniquities" of the people (
Isaiah 53:11; compare
Isaiah 53:6).
Other words frequently translated "iniquity" are:
'awen, literally, "worthlessness," "vanity," hence, "naughtiness," "mischief" (47 times in the King James Version, especially in the phrase "workers of iniquity,"
Job 4:8;
Psalms 5:5;
6:8;
Proverbs 10:29, etc.); `awel and `awlah, literally, "perverseness" (
Deuteronomy 32:4;
Job 6:29 the King James Version, etc.).
In the New Testament "iniquity" stands for anomia equals properly, "the condition of one without law," "lawlessness" (so translated in 1
John 3:4, elsewhere "iniquity," e.g.
Matthew 7:23), a word which frequently stood for `awon in the Septuagint; and adikia, literally, "unrighteousness" (e.g.
Luke 13:27).
D. Miall Edwards
unsafe says ------and
Posted from article below -------Jesus was 12 when He entered the temple ------why is this age important ????? it is mentioned so here is what I have found on this ------
Luke 2 Commentary - The Twelve-Year-Old Jesus Goes to the Temple - BibleGateway.com
Jesus is twelve years old. If the Mishna is relevant to the first-century Jewish practice, which is likely in this case, then religious instruction would have become more intense for Jesus upon his reaching twelve (
m. Niddah 5:6;
m. Megilla 4:6;
m. `Abot 5:12). The custom of bar mitzvah for a thirteen-year-old Jewish boy was not in place at this time (Fitzmyer 1981:440).
unsafe says----so in this scripture age 20 is mentioned as an age God will punish His People =====verse 29 -----so can this be an age that God sees as being an age that He sees fit to impute sin upon ?????????
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Numbers 14:26-29 (ERV)
The Lord Punishes the People
26 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 27 “How long will these evil people continue to complain against me? I have heard their complaints and their griping.
28 So tell them, ‘The Lord says that he will surely do all those things to you that you complained about. This is what will happen to you:
29 You will die in this desert.
Every person n who is 20 years old or older and was counted as one of my people will die. You complained against me.
unsafe says ---this scripture says ----The Parents are to teach their children eight from wrong ------so it seems God does not class a child as already knowing right from wrong ------therefore He would not impute sin on a child ------
Proverbs 22:6 (CEV)
6 Teach your children
right from wrong,
and when they are grown
they will still do right.
Then there is this passage -------unsafe Posting Scripture below ------verse 39 -----says this ------ 39 You thought your little children would be taken by your enemies
. But those children, who are still too young to know right from wrong, will go into the land.
I will give it to them. Your children will take the land for their own. 40 But you—you must turn around, take the road to the Red Sea and go back into the desert.’
Deuteronomy 1:34-46 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
People Not Allowed to Enter Canaan
34 “The Lord heard what you said, and he was angry. He made a vow. He said, 35 ‘Not one of you evil people who are alive now will go into the good land that I promised to your ancestors. 36 Only Caleb son of Jephunneh will see that land. I will give Caleb the land he walked on, and I will give that land to his descendants, because he did all that I, the Lord, commanded.’
37 “The Lord was also angry with me because of you. He said to me, ‘Moses, you cannot enter the land, either. 38 But your helper, Joshua son of Nun, will go into the land. Encourage Joshua, because he will lead the Israelites to take the land for their own. 39 You thought your little children would be taken by your enemies. But those children, who are still too young to know right from wrong, will go into the land. I will give it to them. Your children will take the land for their own. 40 But you—you must turn around, take the road to the Red Sea and go back into the desert.’
41 “Then you said, ‘Moses, we sinned against the Lord, but now we will do what the Lord our God commanded us before—we will go and fight.’
“Then each of you put on your weapons. You thought it would be easy to go and take the hill country. 42 But the Lord said to me, ‘Tell the people not to go up there and fight, because I will not be with them. Their enemies will defeat them!’
43 “I spoke to you, but you did not listen. You refused to obey the Lord’s command. You thought you could use your own power, so you went up into the hill country. 44 The Amorites who lived there came out like a swarm of bees and chased you all the way from Seir to Hormah. 45 Then you came back crying to the Lord for help, but the Lord refused to listen to you. 46 So you stayed at Kadesh for such a long time.
unsafe says ----So is there an age of Accountability ??????? ----I personally think so ------but many disagree -------Isaiah 7 speaks about the coming Messiah ----you can read the whole chapter -----I am posting part of it relevant to a child knowing right from wrong ----
Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 7 - GOD’S WORD Translation
Isaiah 7 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
The Virgin Will Have a Child
14 So the Lord himself will give you this sign: A virgin will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and she will name him Immanuel [God Is With Us]. 15
He will eat cheese and honey until he knows how to reject evil and choose good. 16 Indeed, before the boy knows how to reject evil and choose good, the land of the two kings who terrify you will be deserted.
unsafe says ----Posting a 5 MIN VIDEO here on this below -----
you can all make up your own mind on this subject -------But Like I said for me personally I believe there is an age that one becomes accountable and until then I personally Believe God in His Grace and Mercy allows infants and small children to be saved as they themselves have committed no offence Against Him ---their lack of understanding of right and wrong keeps them in an innocent light in God's eyes ------ but this is just my view -------
Worth listening to for 5 Minutes ----
What is the Age of Accountability? Is there an Age of Accountability?"
Dr. Stephen Wellum answers in Honest Answers |
