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Jae ---Your Baby Baptism cleansing sins is your wishful thinking and False Doctrine ----there is not a scripture that says Baby Baptism takes a baby's sins away cause a baby cannot committed any sin to be cleansed from ------you don't become a Sinner until you break a law -----we are all born with the nature to sin but we have to know right from wrong and be able to be mobile to commit a sin -----we sin because we want to not because we have to -------we don't have to commit murder or steal or abuse or commit adultery ----we have a choice to do these things or not ----that is up to us ------

Proverbs 22:6 (CEV)
6 Teach your children
right from wrong,
and when they are grown
they will still do right.

Um, @Jae is a Baptist (unless something changed and I missed it), unsafe. He doesn't believe in infant baptism ergo can't believe it takes away a baby's sins. Now, the UCCan practices infant baptism but they don't necessarily understand it that way.
 
Jae ---Your Baby Baptism cleansing sins is your wishful thinking and False Doctrine ----there is not a scripture that says Baby Baptism takes a baby's sins away cause a baby cannot committed any sin to be cleansed from ------you don't become a Sinner until you break a law -----we are all born with the nature to sin but we have to know right from wrong and be able to be mobile to commit a sin -----we sin because we want to not because we have to -------we don't have to commit murder or steal or abuse or commit adultery ----we have a choice to do these things or not ----that is up to us ------

Proverbs 22:6 (CEV)
6 Teach your children
right from wrong,
and when they are grown
they will still do right.

Do you not subscribe to the doctrine of original sin unsafe?
 
Um, @Jae is a Baptist (unless something changed and I missed it), unsafe. He doesn't believe in infant baptism ergo can't believe it takes away a baby's sins. Now, the UCCan practices infant baptism but they don't necessarily understand it that way.

I'm a Baptist by denomination but I do believe in infant baptism.
 
Another conundrum. Ditto for the cursing of the fig tree that did not bear any fruit.

And it wasn't just that it didn't bear any fruit. It wasn't the season for it to bear fruit. And even if it were (or Jesus could tell by the condition of the tree that it wouldn't) and the tree weren't producing, that is the job/problem of the agriculturalist - to feed/water/prune it so that it does. The tree is incapable of getting up and moving to a more hospitable clime, as it were.
 
And it wasn't just that it didn't bear any fruit. It wasn't the season for it to bear fruit. And even if it were (or Jesus could tell by the condition of the tree that it wouldn't) and the tree weren't producing, that is the job/problem of the agriculturalist - to feed/water/prune it so that it does. The tree is incapable of getting up and moving to a more hospitable clime, as it were.
Kind of makes you feel sorry for the fig tree, doesn't it? Pretty much like the poor sod who showed up at the wedding without the proper garments.

In tomorrow's reading another unfortunate soul is going to be sent out into the outer darkness (with wailing and gnashing of teeth) for a minor matter.
 
In tomorrow's reading another unfortunate soul is going to be sent out into the outer darkness (with wailing and gnashing of teeth) for a minor matter.

Unfortunately, it's these passages that frighten some (unnamed) people into a certain "legalism of the Word".
 
Jae ----your quote -----Do you not subscribe to the doctrine of original sin unsafe?

I believe in the fall of man -----I believe Adam sinned by disobeying God's Command he acted against God's will -------and I believe we are shaped in Iniquity at conception -----that is we are Born with a crooked ---twisted Nature to sin ----the actual sin is not passed on Jae it is Iniquity that is passed on -----this is my belief -----

So I don't know what your take on the original sin is ------but if you believe in infant Baptism cleansing your sins then provide the scripture to back it up ----- and then I will believe that your sins were taken at your infant Baptism ------and if that is the case then for you Jesus shedding His Blood was for nothing ---cause it is the Blood that covers sin not a sprinkle of water and No Minister has the power to take sin away ----they can bless an infant but that is it -------
 
BetteTheRed said:
And it wasn't just that it didn't bear any fruit. It wasn't the season for it to bear fruit. And even if it were (or Jesus could tell by the condition of the tree that it wouldn't) and the tree weren't producing, that is the job/problem of the agriculturalist - to feed/water/prune it so that it does. The tree is incapable of getting up and moving to a more hospitable clime, as it were.

paradox3 said ------Kind of makes you feel sorry for the fig tree, doesn't it?


Again Worldly Glasses -----the Blind leading the Blind on Spiritual Matters ------


The Cleaning of the temple and The Fig Tree that Jesus cursed ---has Spiritual Significance showing the Spiritual condition of Israel ---the cleansing of the temple showed His criticism of the worship that was going on and He was denouncing this type of worship in His Father's house -------and the Cursing of the Fig tree Jesus was symbolically denouncing Israel as a Nation as they would have no relationship with Him they were Spiritual Dead Producing no Fruit------Very Important Spiritual stuff here ------

There are many today who Claim to be Christians who are like the dead fig tree ----they bear no fruit and are spiritually dead ------they mouth the word Christian but their heart is not in Christ -----


unsafe says -------and Posted ---------Jesus uses the Fig tree to represent Israel

Fig tree
Fig tree

Everywhere common in Palestine, both wild and cultivated. Figs were an important food. The tree is one of the earliest to show its fruitbuds, which appear before the leaves; thus a fig tree with leaves would be expected to also have fruit. Jesus’ cursing the fig tree for its fruitlessness (Mark 11:12–13, 20–23) was an allusion to the fruitlessness of Israel. The time when the leaves appear indicates that summer is “nigh at hand” (Matt. 24:32–33; D&C 45:37–38; JS—M 1:38–39). For other references to figs, see Gen. 3:7; 1 Kgs. 4:25; 2 Kgs. 20:7; John 1:47–50. The sycomore, spoken of in Isa. 9:10, Amos 7:14, and Luke 19:4, was a variety of fig tree.
 
Hi,

Nice to listen in while reflecting on the book of Matthew. This has me curious:
Only when Jesus is being an a**hole
Why the profanity? Or, what leads persons to use such language to speak about an historic person? Is it grounded in some bias or prejudice? Is it a lack of respect for those who value the historic narratives focused on Jesus? Maybe just a lack of civility?

That said, there were folk in the day who took Jesus to be a pain in the butt. His constant call for mercy and justice was attractive to the exploited and the oppressed. It was repulsive to persons well established in the practice of religious and political power. Not much different today.

Come let us reason together.

George
 

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I think maybe that what we have to come to grips with is our judgment that someone is "acting like an a**hole", and godde knows, it's one of my favourite words.

I was gifted a lovely book this fall by Matthew Fox with meditations on 68 names for god. Sometimes I meditate on Jesus as a microcosm of godde. If we accept "Jesus as a**hole", among other things, can we accept evil as part of godde, among other things? Is this helpful in coming terms with some of the awful stuff that burbles from our unconscious at times?
 
I think maybe that what we have to come to grips with is our judgment that someone is "acting like an a**hole", and godde knows, it's one of my favourite words.

I was gifted a lovely book this fall by Matthew Fox with meditations on 68 names for god. Sometimes I meditate on Jesus as a microcosm of godde. If we accept "Jesus as a**hole", among other things, can we accept evil as part of godde, among other things? Is this helpful in coming terms with some of the awful stuff that burbles from our unconscious at times?
No, because evil is a not apart of God it's the absence of God, all that which is good, evil is absence of it
 
unsafe says -------and Posted ---------Jesus uses the Fig tree to represent Israel
So the fig tree represents Israel? How can you be so certain about this? To me it seems like a possible interpretation among many. Scripture has Jesus explaining some of His parables but I have not noticed any explanation for this one.

It is interesting to see you embrace such a metaphorical interpretation of scripture. I always thought the evangelical view had scripture being quite literal in its meaning. A literal view would have the fig tree being a just fig tree, would it not?
 
And yet I have attended the infant baptisms of others, even brought gifts. I'd say that my views significantly changed during my years in seminary.
Planning a return to a denomination which practices infant baptism, in that case? ;)

I believe @unsafe is correct. There is no support in scripture for infant baptism. Tradition is another story, of course.
 
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