Pavlos Maros
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Do you believe that god is the ultimate morality and we are not. Yes/no?
Is humanity morally flawed. Yes/no?
Is humanity morally flawed. Yes/no?
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Do you believe that god is the ultimate morality and we are not. Yes/no?
Is humanity morally flawed. Yes/no?
Pavlos Maros said:Do you believe that god is the ultimate morality and we are not. Yes/no?
Pavlos Maros said:Is humanity morally flawed. Yes/no?
Good answer.For the first question, no. But I also don't believe in a traditional god so it's kind of an irrelevant question for me.
No I mean not moral to the standard of god.As for the second question, define "morally flawed".
If it means we are all a bunch of psychotic, twisted perverts, no.
It is all defined by the first question..If it means we sometimes act selfishly or make choices for the wrong reasons, then sure. I don't think anyone goes through life without making a bad or selfish decision at some point, but I'm not sure that amounts to "morally flawed". Most people I know have it right at heart, know the importance of living in right relationship with other people and the world we live in, but just give in to desires or decisions that are destructive to those relationships from time to time.
If humanity's standard of morality is flawed/broken how could we/you decide who is moral, and who is not.I believe that God is the ultimate, Sovereign judge over what is and isn't moral. I believe that humanity is broken but that wholeness can be found in Jesus Christ.
If humanity's standard is fundamentally corrupted how could humanity decide who is the final arbiter, or who is not.
I believe God is the final arbiter with respect to righteousness and sinfulness. I'm not sure either are inherently ethical choices.
I believe humanity is fundamentally corrupted. This ultimately produces flawed ethicality or flawed adherence to an ethical standard.
If humanity's standard of morality is flawed/broken how could we/you decide who is moral, and who is not.
how could humanity decide who is the final arbiter
You couldn't. Only God could do that. It's too bad not all Christians have the humility to recognize that and insist on judging others, but that's the logical implication of Original Sin, Total Depravity, and similar doctrines: We can't judge others' brokenness when we ourselves are broken.
If humanity's standard is fundamentally corrupted how could humanity decide who is the final arbiter, or who is not.
If humanity's standard of morality is flawed/broken how could we/you decide who is moral, and who is not.
I believe that God has revealed himself to be the ultimate, Sovereign judge of what is moral and what is not. I get that that isn't the way you see things, but you asked us for what we believe.
@Jae, is "broken" the same as "morally flawed" in your view, or are they different in some way?
What he is really asking is how do we know God is moral if we ourselves are morally flawed? How can fundamental imperfection even recognize fundamental perfection?
Hmm... pretty sure I answered that one Mendalla. I believe that God has revealed to humanity (in the Bible) who God is.
Pavlos Maros said:If humanity's standard is fundamentally corrupted how could humanity decide who is the final arbiter, or who is not.