How does one "choose" a Belief System?

[Jaebius]

However you cannot claim that christianity loves it neighbour. Because clearly it doesn't. Christianity is after all following jesus christ's lead.

You're... suggesting that Jesus isn't loving?

 

[Seeler]

Christianity itself doesn't love or not love it's neighbour. Christianity teaches love of neighbour. Not all people who claim to be christians fully understand and are able to follow that teaching.

You claim 'Christianity is following Jesus Christ's lead.' I am having trouble following you here. Jesus taught love of neighbour. What is more he illustrated love of neighbour by the way he lived his life -- humble, forgiving, compassionate, merciful, challenging the system, identifying with the outcast. If people follow his lead wouldn't they also be loving of neighbour?


Who is claiming that christianity is all pure and lovely? Not me. Christianiy is a belief system. It is made up of imperfect individuals. It is sometimes misunderstood and/or misinterpreted. And people fall short of their ideals. And all too often peeople jump on the bandwagon and use it for their advantage. It is not the fault of the BS when people fail to live up to its ideals or abuse it for their own interests.

 

[Luce NDs]

You are arguing from a very narrow, almost ideological, position about churches, that you insist on continuing to believe is the correct premise that applies to all of Christianity. You are not well informed about it. Maybe you've been brainwashed.

It's his impressed religion ... relief from/to the opposing!

 

[Jaebius]

Christianity itself doesn't love or not love it's neighbour. Christianity teaches love of neighbour. Not all people who claim to be christians fully understand and are able to follow that teaching.

You claim 'Christianity is following Jesus Christ's lead.' I am having trouble following you here. Jesus taught love of neighbour. What is more he illustrated love of neighbour by the way he lived his life -- humble, forgiving, compassionate, merciful, challenging the system, identifying with the outcast. If people follow his lead wouldn't they also be loving of neighbour?


Who is claiming that christianity is all pure and lovely? Not me. Christianiy is a belief system. It is made up of imperfect individuals. It is sometimes misunderstood and/or misinterpreted. And people fall short of their ideals. And all too often peeople jump on the bandwagon and use it for their advantage. It is not the fault of the BS when people fail to live up to its ideals or abuse it for their own interests.

^^ One of the best WC/WC2 posts ever. Thank you for that Seeler.

 

[Luce NDs]

He may not want to be.

Hoo mans tend to drift towards the unknown ... unknowing? For there one is innocent and don't understand tyranny ... creating a great gulf for the oligarchs to bathe in ... tis a medium ... even the tyrants don't believe in mediums ... too dark and flighty!

 

[Luce NDs]

Oh man, Mendalla. How long have we known each other online and yet you chose to take my comment seriously?!

Inn sin sear Christian? Delight is akin to that makes its mark if you get too much ... you are no Moor ... A'Moor is meta science ... a parallel understanding to what Leis here ... that people say is virtue ... ongoing unknown!

 

[Luce NDs]

You're... suggesting that Jesus isn't loving?

Light adheres all about us ... Einstein suggests it is something to do with gravitas and dark obscure physical bodies ... absence of light except in haunted forms ... those who have/or are gathered at points ... mire Pix eLs ... underground, even partisan to those isolated yet ... a myth est set to support serenity ... the calm part of the story ... Ceph Anis ... cest fini ... if you like! A host goes on curios ...

 

[Jaebius]

Inn sin sear Christian? Delight is akin to that makes its mark if you get too much ... you are no Moor ... A'Moor is meta science ... a parallel understanding to what Leis here ... that people say is virtue ... ongoing unknown!

Do you for a second actually think that I'd ever seriously suggest that the UCCanada is more intelligent than are we Baptists? Serious scholarship goes on associated with each of said traditions.

 

[Luce NDs]

Do you for a second actually think that I'd ever seriously suggest that the UCCanada is more intelligent than are we Baptists? Serious scholarship goes on associated with each of said traditions.

Sounds self-centered to me and not very distributive in depth!

 

[Pavlos Maros]

You're... suggesting that Jesus isn't loving?

No Regardless of him merely being a character in a book. It was poorly worded Jae I should have wrote. "Christianity should after all follow Jesus christ's lead". He is narrating Leviticus 19:9-18 after all. My bad.

 

[Luce NDs]

No Regardless of him merely being a character in a book. It was poorly worded Jae I should have wrote. "Christianity should after all follow Jesus christ's lead". He is narrating Leviticus 19:9-18 after all. My bad.

Levite leaders ... instead of those heavy handed with fear, anger and frustration at lack of wide based learning? How odd at this stage of the game ... and few with a gam to stand on ..

 

[Pavlos Maros]

Christianity teaches love of neighbour. Not all people who claim to be christians fully understand and are able to follow that teaching.

And that is exactly what I've been saying. And now. Lol. You are going to envoke the not true scotsman fallacy ok.

You claim 'Christianity is following Jesus Christ's lead.' I am having trouble following you here. Jesus taught love of neighbour. What is more he illustrated love of neighbour by the way he lived his life -- humble, forgiving, compassionate, merciful, challenging the system, identifying with the outcast. If people follow his lead wouldn't they also be loving of neighbour?

Yes you are correct I made a mistake here it was rushed.Sorry .See my reply to jae.

Who is claiming that christianity is all pure and lovely? Not me. Christianiy is a belief system. It is made up of imperfect individuals. It is sometimes misunderstood and/or misinterpreted. And people fall short of their ideals. And all too often peeople jump on the bandwagon and use it for their advantage. It is not the fault of the BS when people fail to live up to its ideals or abuse it for their own interests.

It isn't Lol. It is the actual belief system that is at fault. if the doctrine actually orders the abhorant behaviour (or at least their interpretation of it), Then the actual doctrine must take part of the blame.

 

[Jaebius]

No Regardless of him merely being a character in a book. It was poorly worded Jae I should have wrote. "Christianity should after all follow Jesus christ's lead". He is narrating Leviticus 19:9-18 after all. My bad.

That's okay Pavlos. Happens to all of us. Even me once or twice.

 

[Pinga]

@Jae it was nice to see you compliment @Seeler

 

[blackbelt1961]

Are you seriously telling me that every christian adheres to this.
Leviticus 19:9 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.

10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.

11 Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

12 And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.

14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the Lord.

15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the Lord.

17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

which is why Jesus is a Savior because no one can 100% adhere to the law, ever man has issues in his/her heart, but I do find it very funny when atheist take scripture out of context like you just did to justify there position.

 

[Luce NDs]

In light of the darkness of the hoo m'n heart land ... something needs lifting ... thus thoughts and soul take off when you're gone ...

From the heartland of America ... nothing to beat ...

 

[GeoFee]

The complete lack of any.

To be clear, you are saying there is a complete lack of any empirical evidence verifying your assertion that "No religious person can love their neighbour. Unless of course the neighbour is of the same church." It is simply a statement of opinion?

 

[revjohn]

And that is exactly what I've been saying. And now. Lol. You are going to envoke the not true

scotsman fallacy ok.

I think that is actually a misread of Seeler's intent. Claiming that Christianity teaches X and that Christians are poor students of X is not an appeal to the No True Scotsman fallacy. Claiming that Christianity teaches X and that those who ignore X are not Christians would be an appeal to the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Yes you are correct I made a mistake here it was rushed. Sorry. See my reply to jae.

Mistakes happen. Should individuals be defined only by the mistakes they have made or does a more proper judgement take all things into consideration?

if the doctrine actually orders the abhorant behaviour (or at least their interpretation of it), Then the actual doctrine must take part of the blame.

This gives us a starting point to work with.

Which doctrine specific to Christianity (for a start) do you feel fits the bill of abhorrent behaviour?

Apart from that, I am not sure that mistakes in interpretation should be laid at the feet of that which is misinterpreted so much as it properly belongs to those responsible for the misinterpretation.

 

[BetteTheRed]

which is why Jesus is a Savior because no one can 100% adhere to the law, ever man has issues in his/her heart, but I do find it very funny when atheist take scripture out of context like you just did to justify there position.

How is he taking scripture out of context? It's as it is written. That's another variant on some of the ten commandments, most of which are pretty practical rules for living. I don't think Jewish people do any better at it, than Christian people. We are all human, prone to failure and fear and anger. I don't think religion makes a human better or worse, but it should certainly make them more thoughtful about their BS.

Returning to revJohn's comment above, yes, I suppose to do have a BS. Mystic-prone agnostic secular humanist non-theist if you're putting labels on it. @Mendalla, do you think that process theology/parts thereof might be a link/continuum between pantheist and panentheist ideas of divinity?

 

[Luce NDs]

In Black and White what do the extremes know of a True Scots ... when the Brits believed the Celts to be nothing of concern ... then they elected a few as a parallel to POTUS ... a dusky Don to the Demos ... twilight zone Scotty?

From there a drift into nun ... a peculiar domain ... as the abstract is ... absolutely beyond us (paranormal) without some weaving ... a Levite function? Goes on a quantum state ... frothy medium ...

Imperfection ... ideal this would be left behind to work it out ... as remaining or left! Thus God and Sophia is still out ... distant pondering/pandering as Danus in the outer isles of UK?

Residue of bohemia ...