The Rev. Vosper Again

[revjohn]

I find soaking it in a bucket of gasoline for an hour helps. Use a very long stick to light it, though.

Now, if you were a high enough level cleric in D&D (and my old character Mendalla did get high enough), there's always the Flame Strike spell. It's the Dungeons & Dragons version of calling fire down from heaven.

Spoken like a true heathen.

May God have mercy on your abominable soul.

 

[revjohn]

How do you Christians get books to burn all the way through? Last time I tried to burn a bible there were still salvagable pages. Is it the Holy Spirit that encourages an all-consuming fire, or is it lighter fluid?

You have to join us to find out.

We have finger sandwiches.

 

[Ritafee]

"Remember, the firemen are rarely necessary. The public itself stopped reading of its own accord. You firemen provide a circus now and then at which buildings are set off and crowds gather for the pretty blaze, but it's a small sideshow indeed, and hardly necessary to keep things in line. So few want to be rebels any more. And out of those few, most, like myself, scare easily. Can you dance faster than the White Clown, shout louder than ‘Mr. Gimmick’ and the parlour ‘families’? If you can, you'll win your way, Montag. In any event, you're a fool. People are having fun." (2.171)

 

[chansen]

airclean: Join us or burn!

John: Join us and learn how to burn!

Subtle differences in the two sales pitches.

 

[Mendalla]

"Remember, the firemen are rarely necessary. The public itself stopped reading of its own accord. You firemen provide a circus now and then at which buildings are set off and crowds gather for the pretty blaze, but it's a small sideshow indeed, and hardly necessary to keep things in line. So few want to be rebels any more. And out of those few, most, like myself, scare easily. Can you dance faster than the White Clown, shout louder than ‘Mr. Gimmick’ and the parlour ‘families’? If you can, you'll win your way, Montag. In any event, you're a fool. People are having fun." (2.171)

Yeesh. We have a little fun joking about book burning and you unleash Ray Bradbury on us.

 

[Luce NDs]

Yeesh. We have a little fun joking about book burning and you unleash Ray Bradbury on us.

Tis all done in a flare ...

 

[crazyheart]

Sorry, I can't move it. There is a new post on the United Church site. Can some one get it here?

 

[crazyheart]

@ChemGal It is on Face Book United Church Site. could you have a look?

 

[GordW]

Sorry, I can't move it. There is a new post on the United Church site. Can some one get it here?

If you refer to the article posted by David recently. It really has no new information in it.

Canadian Church Denies Claim That Hearing to Decide Fate of Atheist Minister Was Postponed

 

[crazyheart]

thank you GordW

 

[chansen]

I kind of like this one:

Canadian church denies postponing ecclesiastical court hearing of atheist minister

The United Church had Rev. Vosper holding dates last November for a hearing. She received a letter stating "It is now clear that the panel will not be established in time to hold the hearing on the dates that you are holding in November 2017."

From the article:

A spokesperson for the church, however, denied the claim that the formal hearing had been postponed. "We continue to work with the parties to define preliminary issues. Until this step is concluded a date for the hearing cannot be set," said UCC spokesperson The Rev. Alan Hall.​

So, you had her holding dates, you can not be ready for those dates, but it's not a postponement.

Right.

Why do this? Why insist that it hasn't been postponed? Now Rev. Alan Hall, and the church, just look ridiculous.

A murder could have taken place, the body buried, decomposed, exhumed, identified by DNA, match found, international manhunt concluded in Spain, suspect deported, trial taken place, and the convict on his second tube of toothpaste in prison, in the time it has taken to get this far in the disqualification of one United Church minister who did not even leave Scarborough.

And now it's postponed. Or, sorry, the dates they were holding have been changed. To dates not yet set. So not postponed., and totally not indefinitely postponed, so don't use those words. Just, postponed. For, um, an indefinite period of time.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

Shoot, chansen, they were hoping that everyone will forget about it, but you keep bringing it up!

 

[Luce NDs]

I kind of like this one:

Canadian church denies postponing ecclesiastical court hearing of atheist minister

The United Church had Rev. Vosper holding dates last November for a hearing. She received a letter stating "It is now clear that the panel will not be established in time to hold the hearing on the dates that you are holding in November 2017."

From the article:

A spokesperson for the church, however, denied the claim that the formal hearing had been postponed. "We continue to work with the parties to define preliminary issues. Until this step is concluded a date for the hearing cannot be set," said UCC spokesperson The Rev. Alan Hall.​

So, you had her holding dates, you can not be ready for those dates, but it's not a postponement.

Right.

Why do this? Why insist that it hasn't been postponed? Now Rev. Alan Hall, and the church, just look ridiculous.

A murder could have taken place, the body buried, decomposed, exhumed, identified by DNA, match found, international manhunt concluded in Spain, suspect deported, trial taken place, and the convict on his second tube of toothpaste in prison, in the time it has taken to get this far in the disqualification of one United Church minister who did not even leave Scarborough.

And now it's postponed. Or, sorry, the dates they were holding have been changed. To dates not yet set. So not postponed., and totally not indefinitely postponed, so don't use those words. Just, postponed. For, um, an indefinite period of time.

Sloe djinns .. restricted spirits ... so as they would get beyond the grail .. their own cups to cry in?

For crying out loud is critically put down ... no emerging allowed ...

 

[Luce NDs]

airclean: Join us or burn!

John: Join us and learn how to burn!

Subtle differences in the two sales pitches.

They do say in some societies that passion is a learned activity ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Shoot, chansen, they were hoping that everyone will forget about it, but you keep bringing it up!

They call that spontaneity ... like des UN rising from a sea of distillation ... emergent? Inside the mind it is metaphorical if you can grasp it ...

 

[revjohn]

A spokesperson for the church, however, denied the claim that the formal hearing had been postponed. "We continue to work with the parties to define preliminary issues. Until this step is concluded a date for the hearing cannot be set," said UCC spokesperson The Rev. Alan Hall.​

So, you had her holding dates, you can not be ready for those dates, but it's not a postponement.

Right.

Which parties do you think are being consulted to define preliminary issues? Do you think that the Reverend Vosper would not be one of those parties?

No possibility that she is not party to the definition of preliminary issues to be difficult?

Why do this? Why insist that it hasn't been postponed? Now Rev. Alan Hall, and the church, just look ridiculous.

Holding dates was a hope that preliminary work would have been completed by then. It wasn't. Had the hearing actually been scheduled we would have known where and when. As far as I am aware nobody has ever posted information of that kind. Were any of us aware that at such and such a time on such and such a date in such and such a place the review would begin? If that was announced I missed it.

Had such an announcement been made (suggesting all preliminary issues had been resolved and actual examination was ready to begin then any delay would constitute a postponement.

Without such an announcement it amounts to another delay.

And with respect to the murder trial scenario how long does it take one of those to go from the pressing of charges by the police to trial before Judge/Jury in Canada? Since this is not a murder trial compare those numbers with something actually similar.

 

[Luce NDs]

Sort of like life of God's ... takes a long while to Passover the material and pass it through to mined aread to get to some philosophical point where we can move on to something else again ... almost mystical as we don't know what IT is ... as intellect is buried ... we never got a perspective of it ...

Ain't that a downer best illustrated by a "v" substituting for the previous point? Real people do despise mystique and such ... they just don't wish to know what they don't want to know so nothing is knocked about with Kae Eire ... and conflict a' mundi occurs ... a large occlusion?

 

[chansen]

Four months after the hearing was not-postponed-but-never-scheduled, when Rev. Alan Hall told the Observer, “We hope it would be sometime in the winter, this winter,” it seems to this skier that we're rapidly running out of winter.

Did anyone see that coming?

Any updates? My google search brought up nothing new.

 

[revjohn]

Four months after the hearing was not-postponed-but-never-scheduled, when Rev. Alan Hall told the Observer, “We hope it would be sometime in the winter, this winter,” it seems to this skier that we're rapidly running out of winter.

Still seven days of winter left. Don't get ahead of yourself. The Church is known for . . . ummm . . . its ability to . . . well, move eventually.

Did anyone see that coming?

Yes.

As soon as Hall uttered the words "We hope" that suggested to this observer of Church process that the hope was true even if what was hoped for was not particularly realistic.

Heck the only time the UCCAN does anything fast is when it is busy screwing something up.

Any updates? My google search brought up nothing new.

I have contacts on the Judicial Committee. It would be inappropriate for me to ask them what is going on and where the process is at present. Since we no longer have face to face contact it would be even more inappropriate for me to ask them and them to respond via e-mail.

The most I "heard" and I wasn't soliciting information when the Judicial Committee was debating the original appeal was that discussion was intense, wide-ranging and too close to call. I also heard that in the division of make-up for the Committee (equal numbers clergy and laity) that the laity were quicker in coming to a conclusion to deny the appeal than were the clergy.

But that is really just a rumour and I have no way to prove that.

 

[chansen]

The laity on Facebook and general Internet comment areas are, in general, less charitable towards Rev. Vosper than her fellow clergy are, with obvious exceptions.