TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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Jae said:
Actually not. And I say that as someone who has been told (by various people here) both "You're a troll" and "You're acting like a troll." The latter, imho, is a whole lot more kind. It marks that the other person is striving to understand rather than just demonize.
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It is not when you are also being busy being attacked by everyone when you "haven't" been acting like a troll though, is it? Being called a troll and that you're trolling is the same thing in that context. It's just a passive aggressive way of calling someone a troll. It means the same thing.

That is my opinion. You can disagree but I'm settled on it. So, if you disagree we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Anyway, I do not think I am acting like an idiot. I am finally speaking to the insidious bullying that's been taking place, possibly for years, over my "emotions" every time I take a stand on something and stick with it. There are some arguments that are so common I don't need others telling me I need to appreciate that perspective when that perspective is overdone and I've already thought it over. If anything I have become less willing to hold to conflicting ideas at once over the course of my adult life - when one of them conflicts with my deepest values - and that is growth, for me.
 
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chansen said:
You sabotage whatever side of the debate you join. You're still carrying a torch for something I wrote months ago, and I still stand behind. You are a terrible advocate, and the more strongly you feel, the worse you perform, until you are doing real damage to your own side. It's still happening in this thread, with the shotgun approach and dismissiveness. Nothing has changed.

Nobody is bullying you here. On the contrary, we've often tried to help. How many PMs have you had with me? With Inanna? We disagree with your arguments sometimes. We disagree with your dismissive tendencies often. And now I disagree with your use of the report button. Leave the mods alone. Nothing here is mod-worthy, and you're just annoying them. You even quoted my post that you reported, which shows you're more interested in getting someone to agree with you than you are worried about the content of the post.
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Oh, the old "I've tried to help you", after the verbal abuse. For years, you've done this...you've ripped to shreds what I care about which has me feel worthless, told me how useless I am and my views mean nothing because I'm emotional (new take on the hysterical woman argument) you have set up my arguments to fail with ad hominems about my emotions - I'm already set back before my comments leave the gate. You have done a great job discrediting me, injuring my self esteem, insulting me - standing by hateful remarks - the more you do it the weaker I look and behave (if I were a basket case you'd taunt me more because that gives you power) and you want me, or others, to believe you are someone who I can listen to for helpful advice, and look up to you for your reasonableness. No thanks. You're a bully.

That's all. Going on a break because I have to, not because you have to. Which seems pretty unfair but you're never going to change so I have to leave.
 
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Oh and 4 the speech is violence crowd
When Is Speech Violence and What’s the Real Harm?
from the article
"Changing our interpretations changes both our emotional reactionsand our physiological responses. Encouraging students to shift their disempowering and derisive interpretations of speakers whose ideas they loathe could counteract both the purportedly malignant ideas, and whatever harm might otherwise result from the potential stress of listening to them..."
"Words do not cause stress. What causes stress is our interpretations. Words are just sounds. Our emotional and biological reactions are predicated on our interpretations of those words, and further, the meaning we ascribe to the fact that a particular person said them."

So if one were to get fixated on an interpretation that was causing them stress, since they then can't think of a less stressful interpretation, which is their responsibility...they might not have learned how to do it or even be willing to do it or perhaps have a belief that they can't do it (like an ISIL member)...

Thus the "danger" of not being able to see more than one pov...
 
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Thus my adoption of Model Agnosticism that I've been using ever since I joined WC oh soooooooo long ago...wow, 10 years now? Thats half a meatspace generationFNORDauthorities r standing by
NSFW adult woids
 
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So if Inanna attacks with hateful words - a person's feeling intimidated is their problem and their supposed inability to get over it makes them akin to ISIL members. Makes sense. Really rational.

No, it is not the victims responsibility to reinterpret hateful threatening speech into something nice or less stressful. Victims of emotional abuse do that all the time - explain it away - so the person(s) saying it never has to own their part in doing the hurting.

Hate speech is emotional abuse toward masses.
 
An example of media manipulation starring Mike Barnicle (MSNBC), Eddie Glaude (MSNBC), Mark Leibovich (The New York Times Magazine) Ari Melber ( MSNBC), Abby Phillips (CNN and The Washington Post), Joan Walsh (The Nation), and Jeff Zeleny (CNN).


A tell is when different media outlets r selling the same narrative...lack of empathy narrative also ties in with the sociopath narrative that is being promoted also...
 
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