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Jae said:
"When people are tempted [undergoing a trial], they should not say, 'God is tempting me.' [L For] God cannot be tempted by evil, and he himself does not tempt anyone" - James 1:13 (EXB).

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That'd be God's dark side ... satirical differentiation to confuse the passions!

It is said god likes diversity .. and then mortal gods like simplicity to the extreme ... and immortal God ... tis a mystery what is liked out there as they watch the silliness that goes on down here with vanity fair ...
 
Luce NDs said:
That'd be God's dark side ... satirical differentiation to confuse the passions!
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"Here is the message we have heard from Christ [L him] and now announce [proclaim; declare] to you: God is light [C referring to God’s truth and goodness], and in him there is no darkness [C referring to falsehood and evil] at all" - 1 John 1:5 (EXB).

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Jae said:
"Here is the message we have heard from Christ [L him] and now announce [proclaim; declare] to you: God is light [C referring to God’s truth and goodness], and in him there is no darkness [C referring to falsehood and evil] at all" - 1 John 1:5 (EXB).

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Delightful confinement ... like John's cave in the walls of Jordan! The rulers buried him ... headless is the rumour ... I am told by authority that I know nothing about god and the void ... schism's prior attribute ...

If you can't swim ... go under the obstacle ... like Moses ... recess? Back off and observe ... you may see flaws in the stone clad book ...
 
All due to Cosmic Rays which are dark and highly energetic In a primitive environment ...

Primitive is not visible to those of confined systems ... but can be the basis of gama ... and gamos ... in the heir arche ...

Better known as heir gam Os ... or sacred wisdom that is out of the way of men of naïveté ... they don't play to learn but alternately ... thus IDe goes ...
 
Pavlos Maros said:
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Not going to play the game of Dueling Videos with you Pavlos. For every video you post, I can post another that refutes it. Have a good day. Let me know when you're ready to open your blinky blinky eyes to the reality of all that exists. We'll do coffee.
 
Jae said:
Not going to play the game of Dueling Videos with you Pavlos. For every video you post, I can post another that refutes it. Have a good day. Let me know when you're ready to open your blinky blinky eyes to the reality of all that exists. We'll do coffee.
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That is the point Jae you cant hence the lol
 
Pavlos Maros said:
If fruits of the spirit were solely from your god and not just from people, then I'd agree. You cant claim goodness is from a god without first showing a god exist.
Circular reasoning fallacy and begging the question fallacy.
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I think that there is a point where those who believe and those who don't believe in God actually do look the same, but as belief deepens and progresses and takes more hold in someones life they do become more recognizable as someone who is closer to God. I also believe they are few. Holiness should be able to be distinguished and discerned from those who just profess holiness in Gods name..... by their love.

 
Waterfall said:
I think that there is a point where those who believe and those who don't believe in God actually do look the same, but as belief deepens and progresses and takes more hold in someones life they do become more recognizable as someone who is closer to God.
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I'm having trouble parsing this sentence. Too much pizza for lunch perhaps. You are saying that the believer can deepen and progress but the unbeliever can't? If so, can't agree. An unbeliever can, by all means, deepen and progress in their connection to the world and others even if there is no "God" involved.

Waterfall said:
Holiness should be able to be distinguished and discerned from those who just profess holiness in Gods name..... by their love.
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This I agree with us. True holiness is rarely found in those who loudly and proudly proclaim their holiness. It is found more in the ones who quietly and lovingly do the work. Humility, as John was pointing out in another thread, is part of seeking social justice (along with justice and mercy).
 
Mendalla said:
I'm having trouble parsing this sentence. Too much pizza for lunch perhaps. You are saying that the believer can deepen and progress but the unbeliever can't? If so, can't agree. An unbeliever can, by all means, deepen and progress in their connection to the world and others even if there is no "God" involved.



This I agree with us. True holiness is rarely found in those who loudly and proudly proclaim their holiness. It is found more in the ones who quietly and lovingly do the work. Humility, as John was pointing out in another thread, is part of seeking social justice (along with justice and mercy).
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Unbelievers can certainly mature, develop, and deepen and progress in their relationship to the world and others. However, unbelievers cannot deepen in their relationship with God.
 
Jae said:
Unbelievers can certainly mature, develop, and deepen and progress in their relationship to the world and others. However, unbelievers cannot deepen in their relationship with God.
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Of course. Which doesn't matter to a non-believer nor should it matter to anyone else. If they are showing the "fruits of the spirit", who cares how they get there. A good person is a good person and we should treat them all the same. Doing it in the name of God shouldn't get you extra credit (except, of course, from God if there is one).

Likewise, if someone is being an ass, then it doesn't matter whether they are a Christian ass or an atheist ass. We drop the adjective and treat them as an ass. You shouldn't get a pass for dickish behaviour if you claim you're doing God's will.
 
Mendalla said:
I'm having trouble parsing this sentence. Too much pizza for lunch perhaps. You are saying that the believer can deepen and progress but the unbeliever can't? If so, can't agree. An unbeliever can, by all means, deepen and progress in their connection to the WORLD and others even if there is no "God" involved.
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Eventually I think there becomes a fork in the road for the unbeliever and the believer. For the believer the connection to the world takes a back seat to the connection to God. The world as it is, requires God's vision of His Kingdom and hopefully we aim to do good to bring His Kingdom into fruition and into the world. Being "good" also means you can't be part of the problem in order to effect change. Holiness sets one apart, so to speak, not in the sense that you don't participate but as an example of what good should really look like and the direction one should take.
The focus for Good takes a paradigm shift.

The problem I see with deepening ones connection to the world is that it would be easy to become satisfied with experiencing an outer beauty even if the landscape was rotting from within. The choice becomes, working towards God's KIngdom or our own.....and we already know what the kind of Kingdoms we've created look like.
 
Waterfall said:
Eventually I think there becomes a fork in the road for the unbeliever and the believer. For the believer the connection to the world takes a back seat to the connection to God. The world as it is requires God's vision of His Kingdom and hopefully we aim to do good to bring His Kingdom into fruition and into the world. Being "good" also means you can't be part of the problem in order to effect change. Holiness sets one apart, so to speak, not in the sense that you don't participate but as an example of what good should really look like and the direction one should take.
The focus for good takes a paradigm shift.
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But all this assumes that God is the deeper connection. What if there is no God? What if your deeper connection is a myth?

And you always assume that the alternative to God is our own ego, which I know is not the case. The universe is a bigger thing than us. Our planet is a bigger thing than us. Our community is a bigger thing than us. We can recognize our part in that wholeness and work towards the greater good of all those things without having to see it as belonging to "God". It doesn't belong to us, either. In fact, we belong to it. I know this probably sounds a lot like "God" to you but there's a key difference: there is no bossy parson in the sky telling us what to do. We have to figure it out for ourselves by exploring our relationships, exploring our connectedness, and hope we get it right.

Waterfall said:
The problem I see with deepening ones connection to the world is that it would be easy to become satisfied with experiencing an outer beauty even if the landscape was rotting from within. The choice becomes, working towards God's KIngdom or our own.....and we already know what the kind of Kingdoms we've created look like.
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And a believer is incapable of being superficial? Apparently, you don't know enough believers if you think that. Most of our environmental problems are the product of believers who consciously or unconsciously believed in dominionist theology; that God gave us the world to use. That's as ego-driven as any non-theistic philosophy I've come across and moreso than some. I know it's not your belief, but it is the most obvious sign that belief is not less (or more) driven by self-interest than any unbelief.
 
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