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Tesla Solar Panels that look like a regular roof. (now available)

I have read about these. And I would love to suggest them to the congregation for the roof we will likely need to replace in a few years (we are 21 years into 25 year shingles). But until they have been out and in use for a few years I am not sure we will know if they are good value and utlitiy.
 
I have read about these. And I would love to suggest them to the congregation for the roof we will likely need to replace in a few years (we are 21 years into 25 year shingles). But until they have been out and in use for a few years I am not sure we will know if they are good value and utlitiy.
Another way to spread God's light.:) Maybe someone or yourself could approach the Tesla people and offer your church or home for demonstration purposes at a reduced rate while they are getting more established as the new norm.
 
Another way to spread God's light.:) Maybe someone or yourself could approach the Tesla people and offer your church or home for demonstration purposes at a reduced rate while they are getting more established as the new norm.
Possibly..but first I would have to sell teh Property committee on the idea. Convincing Tesla might be easier
 
Yeah. At some point "they" may have to disrupt the status quo though, and phase out fuel reliant vehicles and energy. Just like the VCR was phased out. People won't be pleased at first, but will adapt - and innovation will be allowed to thrive if the focus is there - to make better transportation products. Right now that is getting so much push back that innovators can't innovate and really move things forward - and that's why the technology is not advancing enough for people to take it seriously enough.

Europe will be ahead of us. Japan will be ahead of us. China may even end up ahead of us - and we'll still be calling it impractical.
VCRs actually weren't phased out. They were simply overtaken by new technology - DVD players. That transition happened extremely quickly. DVD players have started to disappear quickly because of Blu-Ray players. The point being that DVD players were both affordable enough and technologically superior to VCRs and so they replaced VCRs. Same with Blu-Ray players over DVDs. Electric cars are neither affordable (for most people) nor are they technologically even equal - as Mendalla points out the range is limited, charging stations are rare. I can't use an electric car. I have an hour commute to church and no charging stations anywhere near where I live or work that I know of.
 
VCRs actually weren't phased out. They were simply overtaken by new technology - DVD players. That transition happened extremely quickly. DVD players have started to disappear quickly because of Blu-Ray players. The point being that DVD players were both affordable enough and technologically superior to VCRs and so they replaced VCRs. Same with Blu-Ray players over DVDs. Electric cars are neither affordable (for most people) nor are they technologically even equal - as Mendalla points out the range is limited, charging stations are rare. I can't use an electric car. I have an hour commute to church and no charging stations anywhere near where I live or work that I know of.
That may be the case now...but if people give up on the idea there - because it's not available "yet" so we might as well keep defaulting back to reliance on gas, and/ or no funding an effort goes into improving and making better solutions available...that's defeatist. It's not going to help. Maybe oil producers and the powers that go to war over oil are counting on people to give up on clean energy.
 
My point earlier - the VCR thing - was more about technology being phased out and replaced, than it was about which technology. Coal powered locomotives might be another. Telegraphs (still used but not widely), etc. all of these - even the antiquated technologies - to become used worldwide - required enormous effort and determination.
 
That may be the case now...but if people give up on the idea there - because it's not available "yet" so we might as well keep defaulting back to reliance on gas, and/ or no funding an effort goes into improving and making better solutions available...that's defeatist. It's not going to help. Maybe oil producers and the powers that go to war over oil are counting on people to give up on clean energy.

No, that is not entirely the case. People, real people are working in the oil and gas industry.If the industry suddenly ended, they would be out of work. Yes, many have skills that can be used elsewhere of course. If all those people were out of work, then other businesses would be affected. Are you aware that the BC Peace is upwards of 100,000 people? Imagine if now their major industry closed down. What would happen to the towns, infrastructure, families, etc? And then there's a lot of Alberta. Of course we need to find realistic alternatives. A small electric car is not realistic to a farmer in the BC or Alberta Peace. It is not likely available to most regular citizens.

VCRs actually weren't phased out. They were simply overtaken by new technology - DVD players. That transition happened extremely quickly. DVD players have started to disappear quickly because of Blu-Ray players. The point being that DVD players were both affordable enough and technologically superior to VCRs and so they replaced VCRs. Same with Blu-Ray players over DVDs. .

@Kimmio this is the way technology changes. Something better comes along to replace old technology. I anticipate that will happen, and arguably is already happening in the oil and gas industry.
 
My point earlier - the VCR thing - was more about technology being phased out and replaced, than it was about which technology. Coal powered locomotives might be another. Telegraphs (still used but not widely), etc. all of these - even the antiquated technologies - to become used worldwide - required enormous effort and determination.

Technology is phased out when something better comes along.
 
Technology is phased out when something better comes along.
But in the case of big oil - there is resistance to allowing it to. And that has made it's way into the psyche's of people resisting change on big oil's behalf. That's what they want.

It's not just phased out when something better comes along - it evolves. But not when it's defeated before getting off the ground.
 
But in the case of big oil - there is resistance to allowing it to. And that has made it's way into the psyche's of people resisting change on big oil's behalf. That's what they want.

It's not just phased out when something better comes along - it evolves. But not when it's defeated before getting off the ground.

Please give some examples of this.
 
No, that is not entirely the case. People, real people are working in the oil and gas industry.If the industry suddenly ended, they would be out of work. Yes, many have skills that can be used elsewhere of course. If all those people were out of work, then other businesses would be affected. Are you aware that the BC Peace is upwards of 100,000 people? Imagine if now their major industry closed down. What would happen to the towns, infrastructure, families, etc? And then there's a lot of Alberta. Of course we need to find realistic alternatives. A small electric car is not realistic to a farmer in the BC or Alberta Peace. It is not likely available to most regular citizens.



@Kimmio this is the way technology changes. Something better comes along to replace old technology. I anticipate that will happen, and arguably is already happening in the oil and gas industry.
I'm not saying it should suddenly end but the clean energy jobs need to be getting 'phased in' more vigorously while oil and gas phases out.

Rotory telephone repair persons were real people, too. That was a real job for decades. So were the manufacturers, and deliverers, and retailers. So will people who build alternatives to oil and gas, be real people. (Which reminds me - the bigger threat to jobs is automation not evolving sources of energy).

It has to change faster than it is changing for next generations' sakes. It's a lot more important than VCRs, that it does.
 
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I'm not saying it should suddenly end but the clean energy jobs need to be getting 'phased in' more vigorously while oil and gas phases out.

Are you aware that there is movement in this area for clean energy? Fort St John has a great organization called N.E.A.T. that promotes clean energy and stewardship in many ways. There are similar movements in the area.

I am still waiting to hear how technology is being defeated before it gets off the ground.

I'm feeling a little frustrated at being told about the evils of oil and gas by someone in the Lower Mainland with little real knowledge of the bigger picture. It feels more like an academic exercise that something that is useful and real. That being said, I am not saying the oil and gas industry is perfect by any means.
 
I'm not saying it should suddenly end but the clean energy jobs need to be getting 'phased in' more vigorously while oil and gas phases out.

How?

Rotory telephone repair persons were real people, too. That was a real job for decades. So were the manufacturers, and deliverers, and retailers. So will people who build alternatives to oil and gas, be real people. (Which reminds me - the bigger threat to jobs is automation not evolving sources of energy).

And yes, new jobs evolved as well. That will happen in the energy world.
 
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