TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

I just listened to his speech/ announcement and I have to say he actually sounded very presidential. Dare I say, he looked and sounded sincere?

It's still scary (and I'm not totally convinced he is sincere). But the war in Syria has gone on far too long (7 yrs? ) - horrific numbers of people have died and there is an epic refugee crisis. Obama, I am convinced, didn't want it to come to that. He also didn't want to invade. Probably because of Russia and because the American people were war weary after Bush, for good reason. So, they trained rebels and that backfired miserably and created a fractured and bloody civil war with no end in sight. We knew, though, or should've known, that at some point somebody was going to try to intervene to end it. Whether it was going to be Clinton, Trump...even Sanders...or some other military power. It can't keep going on and on.

 

[BetteTheRed]

He's an actor, Kimmio. If he can't get his s**t together occasionally, who can?

 

[Waterfall]

Why isn't Trump and the UN outing the companies that are supplying the Syrians with their chemical weapons?
Holland, France, Germany, Switzerland and Austria.

Only Schott Glasswerke (Germany) has been subjected to an official inquiry.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Why isn't Trump and the UN outing the companies that are supplying the Syrians with their chemical weapons?
Holland, France, Germany, Switzerland and Austria.

Only Schott Glasswerke (Germany) has been subjected to an official inquiry.

Companies, or countries? Are they legal sales?

(Where are you getting this info from, btw?)

 

[Waterfall]

Companies, Syria is dependent on foreign companies for key elements for production in its chemical warfare program.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Where are you getting info about where the companies are based? @Waterfall

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Just thinking though...that's the same all over the world. Corporations that supply armies have no boundaries they are just making money.

 

[Waterfall]

Where are you getting info about where the companies are based? @Waterfall

Just the usual internet search.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Lol. Okay. I guess you don't want to name the news sources.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

So far, it is all for show. If they actually planned a full on attack, they would have gone after air defences and other strategic targets. One airbase makes no strategic or tactical difference.

My cynical side says that this lets Trump say he did something without really doing anything.

According to this particular article ... It suggest that it was not for show, nor was it any intention to vigorously try to intervene and end the conflict. It was strictly about Assad's use of chemical weapons and only that (in other words - this article says - he'll ignore the rest of it).

http://www.vox.com/2017/4/6/15215132/us-syria-bombing-trump-assad-chemical-weapons

 

[Ritafee]

“The statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them.” – Mark Twain

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Why isn't Trump and the UN outing the companies that are supplying the Syrians with their chemical weapons?
Holland, France, Germany, Switzerland and Austria.

Only Schott Glasswerke (Germany) has been subjected to an official inquiry.

Unless they were supplied in the years since this civil war - Syria was not considered an 'enemy' before that.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

“The statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them.” – Mark Twain

That's one historical person's non-specific point of view ... He was a good writer so it must always be true... So let's just apply it to everything! Oh, and it's even more true if it's bolded!

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

There's a difference between blaming the nation (it's people), and blaming a despotic leader for an attack on the people he governs.

 

[Luce NDs]

“The statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them.” – Mark Twain

Do God(s) have boundaries after they made their points known ... as scattered to no ends? --- St Niche of Myra ...

 

[revsdd]

Let us not ignore some political calculations here as well. First, given the recent chemical attack, there's going to be a lot of sympathy for the action against Syria. So Trump looks (1) like he cares about those who died, and (2) really tough - which his "MAGA" base is probably going to eat up. Also, presidential approval ratings tend to go up after this kind of thing. (As I recall, Bill Clinton ordered an attack against Iraq at the height of the impeachment debate, and managed to stall the House's vote to impeach for a few days at least because the feeling was you couldn't impeach a president who was commanding in a time of battle!) Second, Trump's big problem recently has been the so-called "Russia connection," and the accusation that he is too close to or even influenced by Russia. This was an action against a Russian ally, and Tillerson got to say some pretty harsh things about Putin's Russia - "complicit or incompetent," I believe were his words - and this morning the Kremlin is saying some pretty harsh things about the US. A body blow to the "influenced by Russia" or "in Putin's pocket" argument. Third, the attack came as the president of China is in Florida. Undoubtedly, one of the issues discussed was North Korea - thus, the message: "see, we're willing to act alone when we have to." As for the Xi visit, having him at Mar-a-Lago was actually an interesting political move - at least potentially. Going to the White House is routine, and a reminder of the US political structure and the limits it places on the president. At Mar-a-Lago, Xi is right in the Donald's personal fiefdom, where everyone defers to him and his word is law.

Lots of interesting stuff in the last 24-48 hours.

 

[revsdd]

We also shouldn't forget Bannon being removed from the National Security Council a couple of days ago. Even if that's just window-dressing (because he's still in the White House and has influence) it addresses the "Trump is Bannon's puppet" idea that's thrown around. Trump has made recent moves to try to salvage what has so far been a train wreck of a presidency.

 

[Jaebius]

Let us not ignore some political calculations here as well. First, given the recent chemical attack, there's going to be a lot of sympathy for the action against Syria. So Trump looks (1) like he cares about those who died, and (2) really tough - which his "MAGA" base is probably going to eat up. Also, presidential approval ratings tend to go up after this kind of thing. (As I recall, Bill Clinton ordered an attack against Iraq at the height of the impeachment debate, and managed to stall the House's vote to impeach for a few days at least because the feeling was you couldn't impeach a president who was commanding in a time of battle!) Second, Trump's big problem recently has been the so-called "Russia connection," and the accusation that he is too close to or even influenced by Russia. This was an action against a Russian ally, and Tillerson got to say some pretty harsh things about Putin's Russia - "complicit or incompetent," I believe were his words - and this morning the Kremlin is saying some pretty harsh things about the US. A body blow to the "influenced by Russia" or "in Putin's pocket" argument. Third, the attack came as the president of China is in Florida. Undoubtedly, one of the issues discussed was North Korea - thus, the message: "see, we're willing to act alone when we have to." As for the Xi visit, having him at Mar-a-Lago was actually an interesting political move - at least potentially. Going to the White House is routine, and a reminder of the US political structure and the limits it places on the president. At Mar-a-Lago, Xi is right in the Donald's personal fiefdom, where everyone defers to him and his word is law.

Lots of interesting stuff in the last 24-48 hours.

Maybe he does really care about the people Steven.

 

[revsdd]

Maybe he does really care about the people Steven.

I didn't say he didn't. I'm not making that judgement call. But in politics, it's important not just to care, but to look like you care. This action will serve that purpose for some, and others will just be cynical about it. I don't claim to know what's in the guy's head. But you can't deny that politics plays a part in every decision a politician makes.

 

[Jaebius]

I didn't say he didn't. I'm not making that judgement call. But in politics, it's important not just to care, but to look like you care. This action will serve that purpose for some, and others will just be cynical about it. I don't claim to know what's in the guy's head. But you can't deny that politics plays a part in every decision a politician makes.

Ok. Your quote (new emphasis mine), "So Trump LOOKS (1) like he cares about those who died..."