TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

[Luce NDs]

If God is the emotional part of evangelism ... would the devil be the thinking part and thus described at times as abstract ?

Kind gets the evangelical emotions really dynamic ...

 

[Jaebius]

Judging by reports the ability to bring that is diminishing moment by moment.

I suspect Trump was a useful tool to motivate this demographic. Getting into bed with the devil is a difficult way to advance the agenda of God's kingdom. Some evangelicals saw that prior to the election. More are seeing it since the inauguration.

True there are some who refuse to see it.

Sooner or later you get to the last Russian doll and find out you've been dealing with nothing but successive shells until you get to the tiny nothing in the middle of it all.

Are you actually referring to your brother in Christ as being the devil?

 

[revjohn]

Are you actually referring to your brother in Christ as being the devil?

No.

The Devil is not flesh and blood.

I was referring to earthly politics of power. Specifically those earthly partisan political shenanigans which presume God is Republican and not Democrat or vice versa and the same applies to the Canadian political scene.

My read of scripture suggests that the princes of the world are subject to God who alone is sovereign.

The high-jacking of Christian tradition by any political party attempts to make God subject.

The argument advances by some Evangelical leaders in the United States was that God could not be with Hillary because of reason X. So sure were they that they were willing to ignore the serious and glaring flaws in their candidate of choice.

Woe to you who call evil good and good evil.

Which should be read not as me saying that Hillary is good so much as it should be read as me saying that Trump is not good.

Interestingly the Trump campaign made good progress with identity politics and politics of division. Allowing for Trump to enjoy much success principally as one who opposes and slanders. Two characteristics that are traditionally connected to Lucifer. So, while impolitic and impolite the phrase "Get thee behind me . . ." echoes loudly.

He doesn't qualify as a white-washed tomb.

If only Jesus had warned us about bronzed dung-heaps.

 

[Luce NDs]

The devil is just a dark flighty thought (Volant) that bugs the daylights out of flaming emotional dynamics ...

 

[Jaebius]

No.

The Devil is not flesh and blood.

I was referring to earthly politics of power. Specifically those earthly partisan political shenanigans which presume God is Republican and not Democrat or vice versa and the same applies to the Canadian political scene.

My read of scripture suggests that the princes of the world are subject to God who alone is sovereign.

The high-jacking of Christian tradition by any political party attempts to make God subject.

The argument advances by some Evangelical leaders in the United States was that God could not be with Hillary because of reason X. So sure were they that they were willing to ignore the serious and glaring flaws in their candidate of choice.

Woe to you who call evil good and good evil.

Which should be read not as me saying that Hillary is good so much as it should be read as me saying that Trump is not good.

Interestingly the Trump campaign made good progress with identity politics and politics of division. Allowing for Trump to enjoy much success principally as one who opposes and slanders. Two characteristics that are traditionally connected to Lucifer. So, while impolitic and impolite the phrase "Get thee behind me . . ." echoes loudly.

He doesn't qualify as a white-washed tomb.

If only Jesus had warned us about bronzed dung-heaps.

"not good"... "dung-heaps"... still find it odd that you would use such words in speaking of the American president John. Not only is he your brother Christian but also a reform thinker like yourself (he's Presbyterian, you're United - Presbyterian lite).

 

[revjohn]

"not good"... "dung-heaps"... still find it odd that you would use such words in speaking of the American president John.

My estimation of the fruit displayed by that particular tree.

Not only is he your brother Christian but also a reform thinker like yourself (he's Presbyterian, you're United - Presbyterian lite).

I haven't said he was not a Christian.

I think he is a poor excuse for a Christian. Whatever grace God bestows upon him will no doubt be no different in quality from the grace I need.

If he does identify as Presbyterian it is a word he has no real understanding or appreciation for and it doesn't give him anything remotely resembling a free pass.

 

[chansen]

"not good"... "dung-heaps"... still find it odd that you would use such words in speaking of the American president John. Not only is he your brother Christian but also a reform thinker like yourself (he's Presbyterian, you're United - Presbyterian lite).

Donald Trump is as much a Christian as I am. I'd looove to say he's a Christian, but it's clear he believes in his own ultimate powers. He is great at conning Christians, but that doesn't make him one. Not even a bad one.

 

[Jaebius]

Donald Trump is as much a Christian as I am. I'd looove to say he's a Christian, but it's clear he believes in his own ultimate powers. He is great at conning Christians, but that doesn't make him one. Not even a bad one.

How are you judging that chansen? @revjohn has the Spirit of God to guide him.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

Apparently there was a President who, instead of being out and leading his men, was lounging around the royal residence, saw a hot chick out the window, decided to send to have her brought to him. He raped her, got her pregnant, and then killed her loyal husband to cover his tracks.

I know you are thinking Bill Clinton, but this guy ended up writing most of the psalms.

Who knows what Trump could accomplish, yet. Seems to have God's favour.

 

[BetteTheRed]

You see a connection between worldly success and Godde's favour? Strange theology indeed.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

You see a connection between worldly success and Godde's favour? Strange theology indeed.

What?

It was a miracle he got elected and those who oppose him are all acting like Karen Black in the Exorcist.

 

[chansen]

Trump is trying to replace the Affordable Care Act with something that will result in more people without health insurance. He is trying to keep families apart under the cover of "protecting America". There are real things at stake here, and yes, you can find some people who are overly emotional. That does not mean there is no problem here.

 

[Luce NDs]

Running the world on desire, passion and love alone without a thought ... is there something to be learned in this void domain?

Alas some believe knowledge, sentience and all that crap ... smell of something alien ... to continue later as learning progresses ... with the present dynamic Newton said the law of sanity wouldn't work just now ...

 

[Jaebius]

 

[Luce NDs]

As a perceived lesser power ... what would powerful men try to do to this ephemeral president ... thus chi wends away ...

Many men blinded by perceived power ... can't see themselves ... as uber-ihc (a psychic term for the more receptive medium).

The less receptive medium to unseen and insensitive things ... are possibly just a bump on the page (ye-omen of time past)!

Then extremes do hate the medium ... as they really go for the fore and agin ... let the conflict begin ... never let it be ...

Word be ab itchii thing to understand for those resistant ... thus the conflict between @chansen ... OHM and ß' AUM' Ayres Law as a fine end to the struggle ... always some resistance! That's how things 'R ...

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

 

[revjohn]

What?

It was a miracle he got elected and those who oppose him are all acting like Karen Black in the Exorcist.

By no means was Trump's electoral win a miracle.

It was improbable. Based on actual events it was possible. Statistically he was one of four candidates seeking the Presidency. In a political system skewed heavily to a two party system his statistical probabilility was a 1 out of 2 chance. Anytime you are in a 50/50 system and one of those outcomes happen you aren't anywhere near miracle territory.

Apart from that if we take for granted that God causes a candidate to be raised to the office of President will we assume that God, invariably and unfailingly raises to that office an individual who is devout?

We probably shouldn't. That falls into the human doctrine of manifest destiny and plays against Jesus coming to establish the Kingdom of God, which is not of this world as it simply substitutes the genuine Kingdom of God for a flawed and fallen human counterfeit.

So . . . . taking for granted that God wanted Trump in the oval office must we accept that Trump is a blessing for American faithfulness? might Trump not also be a scourge for American faithlessness?

God hardened Pharaoh's heart? How soft a heart does Trump display?

God redeems what was intended as evil. Which doesn't require Trump to play the role of Joseph sold into slavery. He can just as easily stand in for Ahab.

In the long run the present reality of a Trump presidency may only be redeemable by being the last straw to fall before a Godly house cleaning. That won't render Trump good. It simply makes him necessary.

Those who can read such events clearly probably are out front of the rest of us in seeing how Trump fits into God's current undertaking.

I am reminded:

For no one is cast off
by the Lord forever.
Though he brings grief, he will show compassion,
so great is his unfailing love.
For he does not willingly bring affliction
or grief to anyone.

Woe to those who force God's unwilling hand.

 

[Luce NDs]

Is the election of irresponsible governing folks ... a sign of something else? Alternate processing ability!

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

 

[revsdd]

What?

It was a miracle he got elected and those who oppose him are all acting like Karen Black in the Exorcist.

Both his election and the opposition to him were/are exercises of people's constitutional rights - to vote, to speak out, to protest, etc., etc. There's no miracle involved in any of that. Trump may have confounded the pollsters, but that doesn't qualify as a miracle, and it actually (in my view) cheapens the understanding of miracles to suggest that it does. Now, had Jill Stein or Gary Johnson won the election, I might be willing to look at the result more closely as a miracle. But the Republican candidate winning the presidency is no miracle. It happens about 50% of the time. Something that historically has a 50% chance of happening is a predictable outcome - even if it's unexpected in any given election - but it's not a miracle. (If we want to ponder election results as miracles, then the Trudeau majority win might have a better chance of being looked at as a miracle, since no third party had ever won a federal election in Canada. There was no historical precedent for it, although even there the polls were pretty clear that the Liberals were going to win by the time election day arrived, so even that was hardly a miracle, although the majority might have been unexpected.) As for how people are responding to Trump's win, for the most part the opposition to Trump has been passionate but peaceful. Your meme that you posted in #3576 isn't representative of the broad group of people who oppose Trump.

Trump has dug himself a bit of a hole with his unsubstantiated wiretapping allegations against Obama. As I see it, there are only three possible outcomes to an investigation - and two of them are bad for Trump.

(1) Obama exceeded his authority as president and ordered wiretapping without a court giving consent. Which then leads to the question of who did the wiretapping. Did the CIA or FBI agree to participate in such an illegal activity? Did Obama hire outsiders to do it?

(2) Trump for some reason lied about the whole thing - perhaps as a way of deflecting attention from the whole Russia mess, which suggests that he's getting really worried about the Russia mess and where the various investigations of that are leading.

(3) Trump was legally wiretapped at the request of the Justice Department - meaning that a judge felt that there was sufficient reason to at least look into the possibility that there were improper or illegal communications happening between Trump and - someone.

It will be interesting to see which of these turns out to be the truth. Were I a gambling man, I'd probably put my money on (2) - but who knows.