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First, gotta love how the bible is fixated on sex. There is this all-seeing, all-powerful God, and he uses these abilities to record what you've done with your genitals so he can hold it against you.

Second, were I to believe in a God, I'd definitely want one who values the child of a free woman over the child of a slave. I mean, obviously.

You should read the story, the answer to "why" is there.
Now today, the descendants of the slave woman are, with almost unanimous global approval plotting the destruction of the children of the free woman.

Trump is a bit of a move away from Armageddon.
 
Drowning all life on Earth would seem to fall into that category. It's hard to picture a smiling, jolly old God doing it. That said, it doesn't actually say that, so perhaps it was more sad resignation than anger and vengeance. Nonetheless, chansen's point is that many, perhaps most, lifeforms on this planet that would shrug off a global flood (basically anything that lives it's entire life in the sea/water, though ducks are not the best example). Only life on land would actually be affected. If destroying all life on Earth ("destroying the Earth" as the NIV translates it) was the goal, a flood was actually a poor choice of tactic. It does make sense, though, if you look at it in terms of the people writing it. "The Earth" to many ancient cultures meant "The Land" and, indeed, a massive flood would affect all life on the land. So perhaps taken from that standpoint, the problem goes away.

Some scholars do believe that it was a local flood - the whole world as we know it vs. the whole entire world. The former makes more sense to me. Personally, I don't believe that God was angry. I feel he had more of the sad resignation you mentioned.
 
Some scholars do believe that it was a local flood - the whole world as we know it vs. the whole entire world. The former makes more sense to me. Personally, I don't believe that God was angry. I feel he had more of the sad resignation you mentioned.
If Ararat is the landing place, it's global.
 
Some scholars do believe that it was a local flood - the whole world as we know it vs. the whole entire world. The former makes more sense to me. Personally, I don't believe that God was angry. I feel he had more of the sad resignation you mentioned.

Well, that's the theory I lean to, as well, which probably doesn't surprise you. Almost every ancient culture has a flood myth and, surprise, all of those cultures started on flood plains. Egypt = Nile, Sumeria = Tigris & Euphrates, Early China = Yellow & Yangtze, Harrapan (ancient India) = Indus, and so on. There is also a theory about the Black Sea that some argue could have fed into various flood myths in the Mediterranean basin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis
 
You should read the story, the answer to "why" is there.
Now today, the descendants of the slave woman are, with almost unanimous global approval plotting the destruction of the children of the free woman.

Trump is a bit of a move away from Armageddon.
Bible-based insanity. And there are all kinds of other bible-based insanities. These beliefs stand to get lots of people killed because the followers are both stupid and plentiful. And Christians who aren't complete morons are hoping to achieve "inter-faith dialogue" with the morons.

It's too much.
 
  • "One finds the same in(s)anities in Mr. Dawkins's work. Don't be fooled by this rhetorical legerdemain. Dawkins and Harris cannot explain why, if Nazism was directly descended from medieval Christianity, medieval Christianity did not produce a Hitler. How can a self-proclaimed atheist ideology, advanced by Hitler as a repudiation of Christianity, be a "culmination" of 2,000 years of Christianity? Dawkins and Harris are employing a transparent sleight of hand that holds Christianity responsible for the crimes committed in its name, while exonerating secularism and atheism for the greater crimes committed in their name."
  • "Religious fanatics have done things that are impossible to defend, and some of them, mostly in the Muslim world, are still performing horrors in the name of their creed. But if religion sometimes disposes people to self-righteousness and absolutism, it also provides a moral code that condemns the slaughter of innocents. In particular, the moral teachings of Jesus provide no support for – indeed they stand as a stern rebuke to – the historical injustices perpetrated in the name of Christianity."
  • "The crimes of atheism have generally been perpetrated through a hubristic ideology that sees man, not God, as the creator of values. Using the latest techniques of science and technology, man seeks to displace God and create a secular utopia here on earth. Of course if some people – the Jews, the landowners, the unfit, or the handicapped – have to be eliminated in order to achieve this utopia, this is a price the atheist tyrants and their apologists have shown themselves quite willing to pay. Thus they confirm the truth of Fyodor Dostoyevsky's dictum, "If God is not, everything is permitted."
  • "Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades."
  • "It's time to abandon the mindlessly repeated mantra that religious belief has been the greatest source of human conflict and violence. Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history."

Dinesh D'Souza
 
  • "Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades."
Show me one case where people were killed "in the name of atheism". People have died because of political ideologies that were atheist (e.g. communism) but the atheism was rarely the reason for the killing. E.g. the Cultural Revolution in China had little to do with atheism and a lot to do with Mao using classism to persecute real or perceived enemies.

  • "One finds the same in(s)anities in Mr. Dawkins's work. Don't be fooled by this rhetorical legerdemain. Dawkins and Harris cannot explain why, if Nazism was directly descended from medieval Christianity, medieval Christianity did not produce a Hitler. How can a self-proclaimed atheist ideology, advanced by Hitler as a repudiation of Christianity, be a "culmination" of 2,000 years of Christianity? Dawkins and Harris are employing a transparent sleight of hand that holds Christianity responsible for the crimes committed in its name, while exonerating secularism and atheism for the greater crimes committed in their name."
They did not produce a Hitler, but they did produce pogroms, ghettos, and an atmosphere of hatred and suspicion around the Jews that Hitler was able to play on. IOW, they did not produce a Hitler or a Holocaust, but did produce many elements that became part of the Holocaust. The accusation of Jews being "Christ killers" was promulgated by the medieval church and is definitely a part of modern anti-Semitism.

That said, I would argue that these are abuses of Christianity and religion that are to be repudiated even by Christians and religious people. We can have religion without pogroms and conflicts.
 
and to a degree I think it is overstated...

Where did the anthropomorphic concept of redaction come from? Is that disruptive of virtue ... in cosmological imagination that a'man could control everything through power of avarice? Is that corrupting or just distasteful alteration ...

Is a cosmological thought a ... state of mind ... non-existential observation of things gone ?

Thus it now isn't ...
 
Some scholars do believe that it was a local flood - the whole world as we know it vs. the whole entire world. The former makes more sense to me. Personally, I don't believe that God was angry. I feel he had more of the sad resignation you mentioned.

Perhaps just simple immersion ... like baptism in life? You've got to admit real life is sadistic ...
 
  • "One finds the same in(s)anities in Mr. Dawkins's work. Don't be fooled by this rhetorical legerdemain. Dawkins and Harris cannot explain why, if Nazism was directly descended from medieval Christianity, medieval Christianity did not produce a Hitler. How can a self-proclaimed atheist ideology, advanced by Hitler as a repudiation of Christianity, be a "culmination" of 2,000 years of Christianity? Dawkins and Harris are employing a transparent sleight of hand that holds Christianity responsible for the crimes committed in its name, while exonerating secularism and atheism for the greater crimes committed in their name."
  • "Religious fanatics have done things that are impossible to defend, and some of them, mostly in the Muslim world, are still performing horrors in the name of their creed. But if religion sometimes disposes people to self-righteousness and absolutism, it also provides a moral code that condemns the slaughter of innocents. In particular, the moral teachings of Jesus provide no support for – indeed they stand as a stern rebuke to – the historical injustices perpetrated in the name of Christianity."
  • "The crimes of atheism have generally been perpetrated through a hubristic ideology that sees man, not God, as the creator of values. Using the latest techniques of science and technology, man seeks to displace God and create a secular utopia here on earth. Of course if some people – the Jews, the landowners, the unfit, or the handicapped – have to be eliminated in order to achieve this utopia, this is a price the atheist tyrants and their apologists have shown themselves quite willing to pay. Thus they confirm the truth of Fyodor Dostoyevsky's dictum, "If God is not, everything is permitted."
  • "Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades."
  • "It's time to abandon the mindlessly repeated mantra that religious belief has been the greatest source of human conflict and violence. Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history."
Dinesh D'Souza

God as judge does appear to be in recess ...
 
Second, were I to believe in a God, I'd definitely want one who values the child of a free woman over the child of a slave. I mean, obviously.
ANd isn't it terribly convenient that the people who claim descent from the child of the free woman are the ones who claim God has a preference for that child over the child of the slave woman???? (Though the text also disputes that claim in God's discussion with Hagar in the wilderness)
 
There are confined thoughts and ... alas free thinkers that can get beyond the books and box ... thus escape from the casket as in Moby Dick ... free floaters?
 
So nothing is ever done in the name of Atheism then. Atheists do no wrong because nothing is done in their name? How about we afford the same license to every human being then whether they be Christian or Atheist let them take responsibility for their own actions accordingly. It is so tiresome to go over and over the religious or secular justifications for behaviors either moral or immoral. Let your yes be yes and your no be no. @chansen - name me the 'christian' that forced you to do something that YOU did not want to do - and I will show you a hypocrite. That's it ... any human being can be hypocritical ... (well probably not Atheists - because ?) Truth needs no defense. By their fruits shall you know them ... not by what they profess.
 
If atheists believe in nothing ... and love is like nothing ... does this explain godly hate, jealousy, vengeance and retribution?

Political poles of extremes ...
 
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