Interventionist God or Non Interventionist God?

[Luce NDs]

Are books the only things that read us and our world?

Experience ... but most follow the rule of sol .. it must be my way ... and thus all outers are scattered .. if you can grasp and gather outside thoughts? Externalisms ... as some baffling veil to cross over metaphorically ... something that isn't there ... like incarnate in convenient definition of alien! Its out of here and now at presents ... it past! Times like that ...

 

[Mendalla]

Can one be "learned" without books?

Arguably yes, but our culture has been literate for so long that it would be hard. That said, you could learn a lot from, for example, a Great Courses Plus subscription (streaming service of courses taught by university profs) though you'd still probably need to do some reading to get real depth on some subjects.

 

[Luce NDs]

@ Jae and then the ole guise (masque of everything) asks: my sun what did you Zae out there ... giving rise to curiosity about what's in'ere?

 

[Luce NDs]

Arguably yes, but our culture has been literate for so long that it would be hard. That said, you could learn a lot from, for example, a Great Courses Plus subscription (streaming service of courses taught by university profs) though you'd still probably need to do some reading to get real depth on some subjects.

Now if one can connect experience with the records of others ... is this chaotic to those that see themselves alone ... when they are not but can't see it ... as a mystical observation of alien stuff on the horizon? -- James Hilton on the rise of Nazi's based on alternate Zohar-NG!

 

[Waterfall]

Arguably yes, but our culture has been literate for so long that it would be hard. That said, you could learn a lot from, for example, a Great Courses Plus subscription (streaming service of courses taught by university profs) though you'd still probably need to do some reading to get real depth on some subjects.

I agree, but yet, somewhere, someone has to be the author of the original thought. Even experience can transcend books at times does it not?

 

[Luce NDs]

I agree, but yet, somewhere, someone has to be the author of the original thought. Even experience can transcend books at times does it not?

Author of aboriginal thought? Would that be beyond us as past destructions of old scripts has rendered that useless ... live in the presents ... that's all the staid have to offer ...

Archaic understanding is judged as gone ... something I'm curios about ...

 

[revsdd]

Lol. So the bible was the only book that was ever written in Latin, Hebrew, and Ancient Greek. Ok!!!!!!!!! And no I don't claim anything, I was replying to a question from Waterfall. It is up to him or anybody else who read it to decide whether they feel I'm speaking the truth. You and they have to take it on faith.
You have taken on a belief in a god that can’t be proven, so that is simply on faith. Yet you question my veracity.
A person who can reply back, in writing, verbally or in person if the need be. Seriously.

Ancient Greek; Because of "Works and Days" by Hesiod, the Odyssey and the Iliad, etc.
Latin; Because of the works of Cicero, Vergil, Ovid, and Marcus Aurelius, Livy. To name just a few. And Hebrew was mainly to see if the scriptures of the Latin KJV/OT, were actually correct. A lot of the time they were not. I mostly refer to my notes, now however. My field of study was simply general interest (what held/holds so many people in a religious state.) I'm a firm believer in the fact that it is wrong to discuss a subject, if you first haven't studied it fully.

I don't really believe that seeler was attempting to "question your veracity." I think she was genuinely curious about what had led you to study Latin, Hebrew and Ancient Greek.

 

[Mendalla]

I agree, but yet, somewhere, someone has to be the author of the original thought. Even experience can transcend books at times does it not?

Of course, but books record that experience and how we interpret and understand it. Sometimes the original thinker writes it themselves (eg. Paul); sometimes it's written down by others (eg. Jesus). Writing the ideas down is what allows us to still be hearing the ideas of Aristotle or Paul or Calvin centuries after they died and incorporate their ideas into our own.

Originality today mostly consists of new takes on old ideas and problems. Even Einstein built on other work that had been going on in the late nineteenth century. Almost every area of human endeavour is built up over time so that no idea comes purely out of the air, but draws on what has gone before. And books are the main way we find out what has gone before.

 

[Jaebius]

Of course, but books record that experience and how we interpret and understand it. Sometimes the original thinker writes it themselves (eg. Paul); sometimes it's written down by others (eg. Jesus). Writing the ideas down is what allows us to still be hearing the ideas of Aristotle or Paul or Calvin centuries after they died and incorporate their ideas into our own.

Originality today mostly consists of new takes on old ideas and problems. Even Einstein built on other work that had been going on in the late nineteenth century. Almost every area of human endeavour is built up over time so that no idea comes purely out of the air, but draws on what has gone before. And books are the main way we find out what has gone before.

Agreed. But are you sure about your very last sentence? With videos, television, movies, apps...

 

[Mendalla]

Agreed. But are you sure about your very last sentence? With videos, television, movies, apps...

They have their place but I don't think you could produce something like Newton's Principia or Calvin's Institutes in any other format. Those media don't convey nuance of thought as effectively as the written/printed word. I think print on paper will eventually give way to ebooks of some form but that is still a "book".

 

[Jaebius]

They have their place but I don't think you could produce something like Newton's Principia or Calvin's Institutes in any other format. Those media don't convey nuance of thought as effectively as the written/printed word. I think print on paper will eventually give way to ebooks of some form but that is still a "book".

Yes, I agree with you there Mendalla. Still, I'm not sure that, "books are the main way we find out what has gone before." Not saying you're incorrect but rather that I don't know.

 

[Luce NDs]

Agreed. But are you sure about your very last sentence? With videos, television, movies, apps...

That a Pauline Exclusion of old stuff! Archaic things that we've lost somewhere along the way ... sort of like a pyre coming down on that deserted Sunday Morning Sidewalk ... flashy spirits of intoxicated creation airy regrets? Omega 'd ... what did I due while in a passionate black out there? W' hoer I with ... a dippy cougar in a niche of thyme? Cooking ...