Interventionist God or Non Interventionist God?

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paradox3 said:
Actually, the more I think about it the more I think Vosper is relevant to the discussion on this thread.

For a few years I believed Gretta was talking about a non-interventionist God. But it turned out I was misunderstanding her and she was talking about either no God or "god" as a metaphor for values.

It can be confusing, right?
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I think Vosper's views (and therefore some references to her) may be relevant to this discussion, as are references to any pastor or theologian who has weighed in on the issue. I do think that getting into the details of the situation at West Hill (again) are unnecessary.
 
Does Jesus tell the apostles that once He has ascended it will not be Him who will intervene but the Holy Spirit that dwells in them/us?

Acts 1:1-11
 
"I wish Ms. Vosper and the West Hill congregation all the best." Dave Henderson

"No, you don't. You wish them homeless. Why do people mindlessly say things like this that clearly are not true? Just because it's the nice thing to say? Because "wishing them the best" is the expected thing to say? No, you clearly want to see them turfed out, which means they will lose their building at the least. It is what it is." chansen​

Hi chansen,

I have been inspired to intervene, to step in and see if I can make a difference. Stepping in to intervene is a characteristic of my family. I learned from my mother who learned from her mother. Tracing this feminine root you will know that I am not advocating for dominance in this or any conversation. For me this place is not about which dog pees higher on the self-regard pole.

You have made yourself clear in the brief response to DH's remark. You have judged DH's motive and found it wanting. On what basis? Further, you have attributed malice to DH. In the light of what evidence?

This is not to be taken as a slight. I enjoy and appreciate your presence. Your challenge has helped me develop my ability to participate in conversation with diverse points of view.

It is offered to question the efficacy of your rhetorical means specific to eliminating what is false (fiction) so what is true (fact) may come clearly into view. What some call the scientific method - the testing of hypothesis by resort to critical inquiry. How do your character and value judgements not contaminate critical (scientific) inquiry?

Went out to the coal shed with mum late one winter evening. Sky was dancing with bright bands of green and pink. We stood in silent awe. Our spirits knit tight with the spirit of the cosmos. The experience of an undifferentiated unity. Over hot chocolate back inside mum spoke of God as the author of wonder. And wonder as the source of faith. Slept in deep peace that night.

Fact? Fiction? Bit of this and a bit of that?

One imagines God. Another imagines no God. Not a problem until one voice declares the other voice false.

Back to silent observation.

George
 
George, I don't like how people can be promoting someone's downfall and yet cheerfully claim that they "wish them the best." They do not wish them the best. The best, from the perspective of the person being wished for, has nothing to do with what the wisher would actually like to have happen.
 
chansen said:
George, I don't like how people can be promoting someone's downfall and yet cheerfully claim that they "wish them the best." They do not wish them the best. The best, from the perspective of the person being wished for, has nothing to do with what the wisher would actually like to have happen.
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Hi

I am fine with what you do not like.

I am not sure how it is that you know what it is that "the wisher would actually like to have happen"? You seem to be saying that DH is seeking the downfall of GV. Is this what you mean? I am also wondering why you added "cheerfully" to DH's "wish them well"?

George
 
Vosper does not care for God talk.

I care for God talk.

Way too much time wasted trying to figure out which of us is right and which of us is wrong. Specially nasty when either side decides to put down the other side. The sorry history of the planet.

George
 
chansen said:
When I get a chance I'll move it to the Vosper thread.
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It looks like you might have copied it over there rather than moved it. Posters are still responding here.

Tangent: I don't really approve of moving posts from thread to thread. Too much confusion. It is fine for the topic starter to make a request in that vein but no one can really control where these discussions go. If we keep returning to Vosper she must be a timely issue for many of us.
 
Pretty soon I might even get sick of talking about her myself. This might be a good thing. :D
 
paradox3 said:
It looks like you might have copied it over there rather than moved it. Posters are still responding here.
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I'm not a mod or admin. I can't move a post. Not even my own. When I say I'll move my post to a thread, and then provide a link to that repost in the correct thread, that's all that can realistically be expected of me.


paradox3 said:
Tangent: I don't really approve of moving posts from thread to thread. Too much confusion. It is fine for the topic starter to make a request in that vein but no one can really control where these discussions go. If we keep returning to Vosper she must be a timely issue for many of us.
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I catch flak for posting off topic, and then get flak for reposting to the correct thread, with a link. I can not hold your hand more effectively than that.
 
GeoFee said:
Hi

I am fine with what you do not like.

I am not sure how it is that you know what it is that "the wisher would actually like to have happen"? You seem to be saying that DH is seeking the downfall of GV. Is this what you mean? I am also wondering why you added "cheerfully" to DH's "wish them well"?

George
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What I'm reading is that you like to hear things like "I wish them the best" from someone who wishes that Gretta Vosper loses her job and West Hill loses the minister they support, and you don't want me calling out the above.

I don't react so predictably to a pleasant tone. Too often, jerks use lovely canned phrases that they don't really mean, and people buy it. If you're fooled by an overused, happy turn of phrase and fail to see the nasty undertones, but are offended by me laying out why it's not as nice as you think it is, then I can't help you further. I've laid it all out in as simple language as I can find.
 
paradox3 said:
If we keep returning to Vosper she must be a timely issue for many of us.
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Many? There are a handful of people who keep the topic alive, with one in particular constantly throwing fuel on the fire. And there is absolutely nothing new or interesting being said on the subject. My own latest posts about Vosper have rehashed stuff I have been saying since WC was still a going concern. If it is really that important a topic for this board, then maybe I will be more selective about which threads I get involved in. Basically, the moment her name drops, I will leave that thread. I should have done that with this one.
 
chansen said:
I'm not a mod or admin. I can't move a post. Not even my own. When I say I'll move my post to a thread, and then provide a link to that repost in the correct thread, that's all that can realistically be expected of me.
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Sorry, I misunderstood.
 
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