Interventionist God or Non Interventionist God?

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God as emotional ... does intervene with wise thoughts ... and intellectual process put down by many supporting that kind of god as wishing to do as they please with exceptional freedoms and no restraining wisdom ... a devil of a state to be in if you wished otherwise! It does give birth to conflict if you are between polity (extreme NDS)! A terminal condition? Potentially Sue ... or Souer in Paris ... if you Mrs. T the frere on teaching linguistics you are not familiar with and somewhat contemptible about alien tongues of satyr ...

Brother the MX is complex!
 
With regards to prayer:

Here's a bunch of speculative "what if's" thought up by yours truly. Mixing science with some ideas and thoughts. Purely unscientific research on my part, just a wondering.

We are taught that in space no one can hear you scream. Space has no sound only vibrations.....but science(Nasa) has designed a way to hear the "sounds" of the planets when these vibrations are lowered to a level that the human ear can detect. (or something like that)
When you listen to these recordings it's amazing the music that is actually going on in space from these planets that we can't hear. Some of the sounds are frightening and to be honest, earth's sound isn't the prettiest. The moon lo has a beautiful tone. The Sun (I know, not a planet) is very imposing with its pulsating heat sounds.

So "what if", the health of our planet and it's people can actually be heard by something (God?) that is able to hear us through those vibrations? What if our prayers become those vibrations that actually do transcend the atmosphere crossing into space?

The chants of OHM, the gatherings with others in prayer, the solitary prayer, the unpronouncable name for God....all transmitted through space through vibrations that reach the "ears" of something that understands what it all means. The collective soul of our planet understood by what we pray or don't pray?
Once again, just thinking out loud.

Feast your ears on the sounds of our solar system and scroll down to hear the planets:

http://canyouactually.com/nasa-actually-recorded-sound-in-space-and-its-absolutely-chilling/
 
Waterfall said:
With regards to prayer:

Here's a bunch of speculative "what if's" thought up by yours truly. Mixing science with some ideas and thoughts. Purely unscientific research on my part, just a wondering.

We are taught that in space no one can hear you scream. Space has no sound only vibrations.....but science(Nasa) has designed a way to hear the "sounds" of the planets when these vibrations are lowered to a level that the human ear can detect. (or something like that)
When you listen to these recordings it's amazing the music that is actually going on in space from these planets that we can't hear. Some of the sounds are frightening and to be honest, earth's sound isn't the prettiest. The moon lo has a beautiful tone. The Sun (I know, not a planet) is very imposing with its pulsating heat sounds.

So "what if", the health of our planet and it's people can actually be heard by something (God?) that is able to hear us through those vibrations? What if our prayers become those vibrations that actually do transcend the atmosphere crossing into space?

The chants of OHM, the gatherings with others in prayer, the solitary prayer, the unpronouncable name for God....all transmitted through space through vibrations that reach the "ears" of something that understands what it all means. The collective soul of our planet understood by what we pray or don't pray?
Once again, just thinking out loud.

Feast your ears on the sounds of our solar system and scroll down to hear the planets:

http://canyouactually.com/nasa-actually-recorded-sound-in-space-and-its-absolutely-chilling/
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The sun sounds like our heartbeat - beautiful.
This Nature of Things video http://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/episodes/sonic-magic-the-wonder-and-science-of-sound
shows us what sound looks like - leaves me in awe and wondering if this is what creation looked/looks like...
 
Inukshuk said:
The sun sounds like our heartbeat - beautiful.
This Nature of Things video http://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/episodes/sonic-magic-the-wonder-and-science-of-sound
shows us what sound looks like - leaves me in awe and wondering if this is what creation looked/looks like...
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Fascinating documentary. Gives new meaning to God speaking the world into existence when you see the 3 D images created from sand just from music being played and different tones.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/speaking_things_into_existence

Or "in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God", John 1:1or Genesis 1

That the universe and the earth and everything on it were formed through vibrations actually makes more sense as an evolutionary theory then the current theory of evolution when you watch the vid.

People with Alzheimers, tremors, cancers, tumors being cured all through sound with no instruments or open surgeries....amazing.

If sound can do that, surely there is a power within our voicing our prayers and singing praises.
 
chansen said:
Like proclaiming a God?
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Hi Chansen, Gee, I was hoping that instead of grumbling into your beard, you would do a little research and reply showing me the beneficial effects of meditation, yoga etc. Oh well, I'll have to do it myself. And thanks for obliquely mentioning www.unitedwithgod.org a grassroots campaign joyfully proclaiming God in our lives, the world and the United Church of Canada.
 
Mendalla said:
Actually, there's a fair bit of research on the benefits of meditation. Sam Harris did his doctoral thesis on the subject (he has a Ph.D. in neuroscience) and wrote a book based on his thesis which is well footnoted with other papers and books of interest. I'd recommend to anyone of any religious stripe, even with Harris' reputation as an atheist debunker of faith. It gives a very good picture of how spiritual practice, with or without faith in a supernatural deity, can be a benefit. He actually got some derision from other atheists as a result of his advocacy of meditation and contemplation.

https://www.amazon.ca/Waking-Up-Spirituality-Without-Religion/dp/1451636016
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Thanks for your post Mendalla. I will read your link with interest.
 
I'd like to suggest that India, a country with far too many people, and a country which is, largely, too hot for comfort, is a perfect example of the benefits of yoga and meditation.

Can you even imagine India filled with Americans and their "rugged individualism" and their self-serving self-obsessions?
 
Dave Henderson said:
Hi Chansen, Gee, I was hoping that instead of grumbling into your beard, you would do a little research and reply showing me the beneficial effects of meditation, yoga etc. Oh well, I'll have to do it myself. And thanks for obliquely mentioning www.unitedwithgod.org a grassroots campaign joyfully proclaiming God in our lives, the world and the United Church of Canada.
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Dave, I post more backup here than just about anyone. It's kinda my thing. Meditation vs. prayer has been done here before, but I should have looked more into it.

Still, posting that meditation is as beneficial as prayer without citations is certainly no worse than what you do.
 
Waterfall said:
When God doesn't intervene, such as saving a child's life, how do you explain that to yourself?
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-Hi Waterfall--Airclean post--
I believe The LORD GOD , made it so no child under 13 has sinned. So they belong to The Kingdom, We" I also believe will see them there. As they have become, The Children of GOD.
 
Waterfall said:
Over analyzing maybe, but it just sounds like God must have been amusing Himself and He doesn't necessarily have to have a reason to intervene.
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--Oh yes Waterfall. --GOD intervenes and you don't know why ? I was just wondering how you could, unless GOD told you. Or can you too see that which is to come.
 
airclean33 said:
-Hi Waterfall--Airclean post--
I believe The LORD GOD , made it so no child under 13 has sinned. So they belong to The Kingdom, We" I also believe will see them there. As they have become, The Children of GOD.
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Allows for adolescent 70 year olds?
 
Are people god talks to reputed to be insane as people the devilish intellect speaks to? Tis a thin red line ... most don't go there ...
 
God is God and can do as He wishes but according to His word He never changes and is not a respecter of persons so if God were to intervene personally in one persons life and not others that would make His word to be a lie ----So does God Lie ------ Here is a question ---If God gave man complete control of this planet and free will to choose their way of life should He Himself be able to intervene in worldly affairs and in our personal lives when ever He wants without permission from His Human Creation ---- He Created Angels to help us and guide us here on this earth -----He gave His Angels permission to be in charge of us to protect us and guide us -----So God's Angels can intervene for us but not God Himself in my view -----

To get God involved on this earth in worldly and personal affairs He has to be asked and invited to intervene through Prayer and His word is very clear on how to get prayers answered ---

Psalm 91:10-16GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
10 No harm will come to you.
No sickness will come near your house.
11 He will put his angels in charge of you
to protect you in all your ways.
12 They will carry you in their hands
so that you never hit your foot against a rock.
13 You will step on lions and cobras.
You will trample young lions and snakes.
14 Because you love me, I will rescue you.
I will protect you because you know my name.
15 When you call to me, I will answer you.
I will be with you when you are in trouble.
I will save you and honor you.
16 I will satisfy you with a long life.
I will show you how I will save you.
 
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Waterfall ---your quote -----When God doesn't intervene, such as saving a child's life, how do you explain that to yourself?
My View ---
First --again God is not a respecter of persons and God doesn't give and then take what He gives away ---- Now some will say read Job God took all he had ----NO Satan had access to Job and the Curse came in--- Satan's job is to Kill -Steal the Blessings of life and Destroy humans -----Job said ---God has given and God takes away in a fit of grief he was not in his right mind -----

Job 1:20-22GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
20 Job stood up, tore his robe in grief, and shaved his head. Then he fell to the ground and worshiped.21 He said,
“Naked I came from my mother,
and naked I will return.
TheLordhas given,
and theLordhas taken away!
May the name of theLordbe praised.”
22 Through all this Job did not sin or blame God for doing anything wro

When God Blesses us the weeds can come in if we allow them to and steal what we have ----so we have to keep the weeds out ---fear --doubt ---anxiety ---stress etc

Second-- is the Generational Curse up to the third and fourth generations ----

Third --the Bible tells us what to do for the sick -----

James 5:14-16King James Version (KJV)
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
 
chansen said:
Dave, I post more backup here than just about anyone. It's kinda my thing. Meditation vs. prayer has been done here before, but I should have looked more into it.

Still, posting that meditation is as beneficial as prayer without citations is certainly no worse than what you do.
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Fair enough Chansen...I look forward to future backup.
 
Dave Henderson said:
Hi Chansen, Gee, I was hoping that instead of grumbling into your beard, you would do a little research and reply showing me the beneficial effects of meditation, yoga etc. Oh well, I'll have to do it myself. And thanks for obliquely mentioning www.unitedwithgod.org a grassroots campaign joyfully proclaiming God in our lives, the world and the United Church of Canada.
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Why do your posts sound like commercial breaks, repeating your website everytime?
 
BetteTheRed said:
The interventionist god cannot be a moral god to me.

I have stood too often, to near, to where god said 'no'.
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It's certainly something we've all asked ourselves in our valley journeys Bette the Red. So many of the Psalms in my sacred scriptures begin with hurting people crying out; "How can you let this happen? Why haven't you reached out? Where ARE you?" (paraphrased) Any attempt to justify or explain God's inaction in the context of loss, always sound trite and superficial to me. When faced with the sorrow of death, Jesus wept. Like we all do. Where was Jesus when my sister drowned? I don't know. But I do know He was at my shoulder, weeping with me in my sorrow.
 
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