A bias against wealth?

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Is personal attack an enigma connected with the sense that the sol is centrally concerned? Thus God's scattered centre that is unbound ....

Loose Translation of the Bishop of Myra ...
 
How is that relevant? See -- it goes to the same bias that you have.
YOu have no idea how I spend my time, or my money or my donations, and yet, you think that it is appropriate to share my $$ with you.

Let's say that i have assets of a million and stand to bring in 500k this year.

Now, i don't but if the number changed to 500k and 250k or 250k and 100k, what would that say to you.

How do the numbers impact your perception?
 
Pinga said:
How is that relevant? See -- it goes to the same bias that you have.
YOu have no idea how I spend my time, or my money or my donations, and yet, you think that it is appropriate to share my $$ with you.

Let's say that i have assets of a million and stand to bring in 500k this year.

Now, i don't but if the number changed to 500k and 250k or 250k and 100k, what would that say to you.

How do the numbers impact your perception?
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That's my point the numbers say nothing at all to me ... I am of the opinion that should an economic collapse happen tomorrow you will not be in any better position than I am - I don't believe in financial security for myself any more than I do for you. You are the one that is dividing us according to financial assets not me.
 
Yet, monk, i agree with kimmio. The extra income gives me choices. It can give security.

I do not fortell an epic collapse.
 
Pinga said:
Yet, monk, i agree with kimmio. The extra income gives me choices. It can give security.

I do not fortell an epic collapse.
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So we are back to personal choices ... the problem I have with these discussions is that people tend to be not consistent from one thread to another around defending their 'choices'. In other threads you have suggested that you are entitled to every medical advantage because you make the 'right' choices and others that make the 'wrong' choices should be penalized financially for making the 'wrong' choices. Ie. People that refuse to vaccinate should not be allowed to go to hospital if they are in need of medical care because they are taxing the medical system unnecessarily. They should not be allowed to go to public schools because they are endangering the health of the vaccinated. Now I am sure that you will call me on that and say you said no such thing and then everyone will jump in and say this is not a thread about vaccination so I am not allowed to bring it up. And round and round we go. Start another thread. Like you did here. Trying always to redefine the thread to be able to make the point that you want to be understood. Then jumping into another thread and saying something absolutely contrary.

You do not fortell an epic collapse ... are you prepared for one?
 
of course, there will be an epic collapse. When, for decades, wealthy steadily goes from the poor to the rich you are going to get a collapse. And it is quite possible that, within that, we shall see political and social collapse. The U.S. exploitation and mass murder that the U.S. has carried out through the middle east has created a horror that will not soon, if ever, be ended. The same is true in South America.

The trouble with the very, very upper class is that it cannot see the consequences of what it is doing. it is billionaire oilmen who are preventing any dealing with climate change. The insist it's not happening.
But, as it they do that, they don't seem to realized that climate change will destroy them, too. They seem to be remarkably short-sighted in their arrogance.
 
I must have lost some brain power recently because I really don't understand that link to a wealth calculator. So I can record the value of my house, car, possessions - and record my debts. Those figures state we aren't poor. However, in real life we need to live in the house, so the fact that it is worth something isn't very useful. Selling the car and other assets for less than the value we get from using them would be a bit silly too. What we really have is our small pension income that is sufficient to pay our taxes, house maintenance and living costs at the moment, but doesn't leave us much disposable income.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
of course, there will be an epic collapse. When, for decades, wealthy steadily goes from the poor to the rich you are going to get a collapse. And it is quite possible that, within that, we shall see political and social collapse. The U.S. exploitation and mass murder that the U.S. has carried out through the middle east has created a horror that will not soon, if ever, be ended. The same is true in South America.

The trouble with the very, very upper class is that it cannot see the consequences of what it is doing. it is billionaire oilmen who are preventing any dealing with climate change. The insist it's not happening.
But, as it they do that, they don't seem to realized that climate change will destroy them, too. They seem to be remarkably short-sighted in their arrogance.
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That's what I like about Graeme ... he is consistent.
 
KayTheCurler said:
I must have lost some brain power recently because I really don't understand that link to a wealth calculator. So I can record the value of my house, car, possessions - and record my debts. Those figures state we aren't poor. However, in real life we need to live in the house, so the fact that it is worth something isn't very useful. Selling the car and other assets for less than the value we get from using them would be a bit silly too. What we really have is our small pension income that is sufficient to pay our taxes, house maintenance and living costs at the moment, but doesn't leave us much disposable income.
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i think the idea behind this calculation is to include the debt of people- and people today are much more in debt than ever before.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
You can't discuss wealth without discussing power. The two go together. Those with enough wealth have the power to make us poor. And they do it.
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I disagree with that. When you have security you have more power. When you are a millionaire you don't have pesky problems like "Will I have a place to sleep next month?" (Or today) It's the difference between conducting your daily affairs on the ground or up on a tight rope. And suppose you have other hinderances to daily living, like disability (and/ or racism and/ or gender inequality) along with, and contributing to, the lack of resources - that makes it even harder to keep up, and here you are up on a tight rope. Life is consumed with not falling off... There isn't much headspace or stamina or time available to speak up and speak out and make changes in the world - even if you see things that could use a change. However, when you have security, you have more opportunity to do so. You may not have the financial capital that a billionaire has - but you have peace of mind. I suppose I resent to some degree, people who have that but don't acknowledge their comfort and fortune.

I do think there's likely a big crash coming. I don't have all that far to fall. However, it doesn't do much good for my psyche to be bombarded with doom and gloom about said impending collapse. My wits about me is the best thing I can have. I also don't find the fear mongering and lies of the conspiracy propagandists to be helpful - I mentioned before it's like passing on electronic rabies. Down south, there are a lot of rabid people. I'm just trying to stay humble and keep my scruples.
 
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Yes, I did state that those who choose not to vaccinate their children should not be able to go to school and put other children at risk.
That is a choice, with a national consequence.
I may have said that those who choose not to be vaccinated have some requirement to pay for their medical costs, as they are entering a risk. I don't rccollect saying it, but I may have.

I have also said that those who choose to go on high risk sports, such as snowmobiling in avalance zones should be charged for the recovery. (or carry insurance for going into those zones) Now, I have listened to the voices of those who do recoveries and the negative consequences of such a tab.,

I believe in the importance of wearing helmets on motorcycles, and being fined if you don't.
In general, I believe in the removal of individual rights when those individual rights impact the greater populations: vaccinations, concealed carry, helmets, car insurance, etc .
 
Does imposition of fear on the poor of other spirits; anger ... cause ignorance, as they have no time to think and process?

The panic creeps ... into the upper domains ... albeit ... some say there is not sacred conspiracy ... when the church says have not fear ... for we will deny and depress you with myths that you shouldn't know ... and thus the cycle comes round as Inanna, ana, or anis end! The delta of V-Nous as a niche ... a poetic whistler ... patient psychopathy?
 
Kimmio said:
I disagree with that. When you have security you have more power. When you are a millionaire you don't have pesky problems like "Will I have a place to sleep next month?" (Or today) It's the difference between conducting your daily affairs on the ground or up on a tight rope. And suppose you have other hinderances to daily living, like disability (and/ or racism and/ or gender inequality) along with, and contributing to, the lack of resources - that makes it even harder to keep up, and here you are up on a tight rope. Life is consumed with not falling off... There isn't much headspace or stamina or time available to speak up and speak out and make changes in the world - even if you see things that could use a change. However, when you have security, you have more opportunity to do so. You may not have the financial capital that a billionaire has - but you have peace of mind. I suppose I resent to some degree, people who have that but don't acknowledge their comfort and fortune.

I do think there's likely a big crash coming. I don't have all that far to fall. However, it doesn't do much good for my psyche to be bombarded with doom and gloom about said impending collapse. My wits about me is the best thing I can have. I also don't find the fear mongering and lies of the conspiracy propagandists to be helpful - I mentioned before it's like passing on electronic rabies. Down south, there are a lot of rabid people. I'm just trying to stay humble and keep my scruples.
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Not sure where you see the contradiction. Security obviously has to do with having money. If you have money, you have choices. Therefore, you have power. For example, buying power determines the market. This can be influenced somewhat by the consumer who is not wealthy ( i.e. If as result of mad cow disease people suddenly tend to buy organic meat)- but for that, you still need to have the finances to buy alternatives.
If you look at wealthy western countries and poor third world countries, there is another example of wealth and power. Also, of course, within third world countries' societies.
 
Then one can have total fear of everything and thus the urge for the great escape ... causing wasting, or fatigue syndrome from excessive attempts for balance when one came from and extreme source.

Others find the mean as extreme compared to where they come from ... either emotional or intellectual sources with wobbles and weaving to stay critical about the void ... to jump or not (to be or naught)! So it went ... and there was nothing ... a bubble for thoughts? Some personalize this by sticking a buoy or Boyce there ... In Hebrew a resonant Voice as the B's compatible with "V" in trans positional science of unknown forms ... in Greek a floating Nous or the enlightened Nous set force to activate psyche ... Hoo binds sol-spirit connections ... a sub conscious vice to human floaters as "c" hits ... light falls as Uria-L ... Piscine rein ... as þx ... penetrating syne ... thus the mental poke ... in Eire Q-wantom kin et IHCs ... a random art!

While at rest you can re organize your aspirations ...
 
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