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Well, given that the evangelical wing of Christianity has voluntarily associated itself with homophobia, if the shoe fits, maybe it should be worn.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Well, given that the evangelical wing of Christianity has voluntarily associated itself with homophobia, if the shoe fits, maybe it should be worn.
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Again, hate speech.

The word homophobia, suggests that if someone doesn't agree with you, they must have a phobia or mental disorder. Not true at all. It is a hateful word. And a lie.
 
Renouncing bigotry as wrong and stupid is not bigotry, no matter how much the bigot protests.

Racism is stupid. Is that hate speech? Because racism used to be justified with scripture as well. If you want to point to the bible and deny rights to the GLBTQ community, then you're just standing where racists were decades ago. And here we are again, dragging Christians, kicking and screaming, to a more moral and inclusive place. In another generation, no one will remember what the fuss was about. But right now, we still have a lot of stupid people who insist their ick factor is more important than the happiness and health of total strangers.

You are right that we have to stop calling it "homophobia". More correctly, it's just run-of-the-mill bigotry. And it's stupid.
 
revsdd said:
Be mindful of whatever you want. I couldn't care less, and I'm not playing the game. As I've said, we'll call Coren a Christian who used to oppose same sex marriage who now agrees with it. I'm still interested in knowing your definition of an evangelical, since - as you note yourself, the denomination that a person belongs to doesn't make one an evangelical or not.
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You made the claim that he's an evangelical Steven. I've asked you to substantiate that claim, which thus far you have yet to do. So, I'm waiting on you. If you don't want to substantiate it, or are unable to, meh. But then maybe you shouldn't have made the claim in the first place.
 
I appreciate the attempt to introduce a twist to an old favourite, but is there any other part of the bible you know? After years of conversing online with unsafe and yourself, I'm all plank-and-speck'ed out.
 
Can you think of any worse sin, PG13, than to deny a person full humanity based on a biological characteristic, like gender, colour, orientation? Seems like basic human rights to me.
 
This thread has certainly strayed from its original topic. Maybe we are finished with the Gretta Vosper controversy for the time being.
 
Give it time. Someone in the UCCan will complain bitterly about her, and everyone will be outraged that she is seeking attention again.
 
Jae said:
You made the claim that he's an evangelical Steven. I've asked you to substantiate that claim, which thus far you have yet to do. So, I'm waiting on you. If you don't want to substantiate it, or are unable to, meh. But then maybe you shouldn't have made the claim in the first place.
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An evangelical is anyone who is committed to sharing the good news of Jesus Christ. I believe Michael Coren qualifies. So do I for that matter. Over to you - what do you define as an "evangelical."
 
revsdd said:
An evangelical is anyone who is committed to sharing the good news of Jesus Christ. I believe Michael Coren qualifies. So do I for that matter. Over to you - what do you define as an "evangelical."
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Not over to me yet. Just what do you mean by, "the good news of Jesus Christ?" Moreover, how have you seen Coren actively involved in sharing it? What I've seen is him on tv ranting about various social issues.
 
Jae said:
Not over to me yet. Just what do you mean by, "the good news of Jesus Christ?" Moreover, how have you seen Coren actively involved in sharing it? What I've seen is him on tv ranting about various social issues.
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Jae, I've explained my definition of an evangelical, and I believe Coren qualifies. I am sad that you don't know what the good news of Jesus Christ is. I'm even sadder for the church you're working for that you need to ask me to explain it to you. Now - nothing further from me until you have the courage (?) or wisdom (?) to be able to define what you mean by the term "evangelical."
 
Jae said:
Not over to me yet. Just what do you mean by, "the good news of Jesus Christ?" Moreover, how have you seen Coren actively involved in sharing it? What I've seen is him on tv ranting about various social issues.
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His books from his RC period like the one about how RCs are right? These ones in particular:

While you might not agree that they "spread the good news", I imagine that's what he was thinking he was doing when he wrote them (likely not so much now in retrospect). And that's the definition of an evangelical to my eye, someone who believes they are spreading the good news (whether they really are or not is a whole other issue).
 
revsdd said:
Jae, I've explained my definition of an evangelical, and I believe Coren qualifies. I am sad that you don't know what the good news of Jesus Christ is. I'm even sadder for the church you're working for that you need to ask me to explain it to you. Now - nothing further from me until you have the courage (?) or wisdom (?) to be able to define what you mean by the term "evangelical."
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"I am sad... to you." I'm asking you for your understanding of the good news Steven. You know as well as I do that different people claim different things about it. What is this good news that you say Coren has embraced. I await your response to the questions I have posed of you.
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said: ↑
"Well, Jesus loves you.
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The Jesus you tell me about sounds like the sort of creepy person I would block if they tried to "friend" me on Facebook.

You "two" go have fun. I'm fine. chanson"



I am wondering , if Jesus walked the earth as a man who was born, lived and died, how

can we pray to him, worship him, and call him Jesus the God?

God was here in the beginning and somewhere is still here as the creator>

I understand worshipping, praying to God but cannot see the same for Jesus. Help me here.
 
What is an evangelical? I'd agree with this definition. An evangelical is someone who holds the Bible to be their highest authority in Christian faith and practice, feels it is very important for them to encourage non-Christians to accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior, believe that Jesus Christ's death on the cross is the only sacrifice that can remove the penalty of sin, and believe that only those who trust in Jesus Christ alone as their Savior receive God's gift of everlasting life.
 
And so we come back to the cringe-worthy idea that you're asking people to believe that God allowed his son to be killed to save people from the fate that God sentenced humanity to. But only killed for 3 days. Because temporarily killing a god's son is the only way to get him to forgive you.

I'm so glad I don't have to defend that idea.
 
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