When the United States goes to war, do you think they care if you believe or not? There is not one candidate saying they will do their best to stop military spending and start addressing the problems at home. Supporting Clinton doesn't make anyone more moral than the other side when it comes to war and murder.
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When the United States goes to war, do you think they care if you believe or not? There is not one candidate saying they will do their best to stop military spending and start addressing the problems at home. Supporting Clinton doesn't make anyone more moral than the other side when it comes to war and murder.
Graeme Decarie
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I don't expect a warm reception. I testified before the Senate commission that investigated the NFB film, The Valour and the Horror, which was, in part, a critical look at the war. I well remember the hysteria of The Legion and the (mostly conservative) senators. The front of the hearing room was covered with hundreds (perhaps) thousands of poppies; And the hearing was on Nov. 11.
One of the films was critical of the carpet bombing in the later stages of the war that deliberately targetted civilians. I supported the film because that IS what happened. (In fact, the British Air Marshall who planned that was deliberately subbed in the round of honours after the war.)
At the end, I was approached at by a WW2 bomber pilot, almost in tears. "My grandchildren ask me - 'was that what you did in the war, grandpa, bomb babies?".
Of course. That was what he did. But the blame doesn't go to him. It was a war. He did what he was told to do.
One of the films was critical of the carpet bombing in the later stages of the war that deliberately targetted civilians. I supported the film because that IS what happened. (In fact, the British Air Marshall who planned that was deliberately subbed in the round of honours after the war.)
At the end, I was approached at by a WW2 bomber pilot, almost in tears. "My grandchildren ask me - 'was that what you did in the war, grandpa, bomb babies?".
Of course. That was what he did. But the blame doesn't go to him. It was a war. He did what he was told to do.
And the civilian bombing continues today.
In the old west it used to be highly dishonourable to "shoot someone in the back", now it's shoot anyone, anytime for any reason. Rules against war crimes are a joke that isn't funny.
It would be really effective if the veterans themselves told everyone to open their eyes as to what war is really about. Offering some real questions to ask themselves before enlisting.
In the old west it used to be highly dishonourable to "shoot someone in the back", now it's shoot anyone, anytime for any reason. Rules against war crimes are a joke that isn't funny.
It would be really effective if the veterans themselves told everyone to open their eyes as to what war is really about. Offering some real questions to ask themselves before enlisting.
chansen
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Here's what Seeler wrote:
Once again, we see many Christians saying the Christians they know behave in a certain way, when we know that Christians at large are behaving very differently. Donald Trump's candidacy is largely supported by Christians, including the major Christian universities.
Christianity in theory and Christianity in practice are largely two different things. Maybe this isn't surprising, and maybe it's even to be expected. The problem is, the "nice" Christianity in theory looks closer to the positions and actions of the non-religious, than it does Christianity as a whole.
As an example, while I'm an anti-theist, I agree on many social issues with UCCan members. The average UCCan member has a moral compass that points more in the direction mine does, than some of our more fundamentalist members. So it really can't be argued that people are arriving to conclusions because Jesus, when the non-religious are arriving a the same conclusions more reliably than other Christians are.
I believe there is also a difference between Canadian and American Christians. The vast majority of Canadian Christians I know are either rooting for Clinton or else simply not taking sides.
Graeme Decarie
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So Christians are rooting for a woman with a long history of imperial invasions and killings and refugees?
I'm not surprised. They've always been a bloodthirsty lot.
I'm not surprised. They've always been a bloodthirsty lot.
chansen
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When the choices are an ignorant sex offender who thinks you should screw over someone 10X worse than what they did to you, I can't see how that's better than Hillary. This really is a case of voting for the least worse option. Hillary is conniving. Trump is unhinged.
If the "nice Christian" option is Hillary (and I understand you don't agree but play along for a moment), then more nones than Christians are choosing the "nice Christian" option. This presents "nice Christians" with a bit of a problem they don't want to acknowledge.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled Clinton bashing.
If the "nice Christian" option is Hillary (and I understand you don't agree but play along for a moment), then more nones than Christians are choosing the "nice Christian" option. This presents "nice Christians" with a bit of a problem they don't want to acknowledge.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled Clinton bashing.
Whoever said that atheists and theists can't have the same political views, possibly for different reasons, but still arrive at the same conclusion? Whoever said that an atheist wouldn't vote for Trump? Why should it be impossible for theists and atheists to agree on certain issues? It doesn't mean that Christians are going to bail on Jesus/God because it happens that they vote for the same person does it?
chansen
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It's like you took the words from my post and rearranged them so you'd have an easier time replying. I'm not saying anything from your post.
Graeme Decarie
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Well chansen, if you think mass murder is nicer than groping.....
Okay I keep hearing this, but what exactly was Hillary Clintons involvement with these mass killings? Which mass killings are you referring to? I know she was involved somehow, but to what are you actually referring?
Let's keep in mind that there's only one candidate under investigation by the FBI, and that that one candidate isn't Donald J. Trump.
Graeme Decarie
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Waterfall, Clinton was a major player in the government that has killed, probably, some 2 million people in the middle east, that is illegally killing in Syria and Yemen, that is deliberately starving the whole population of Yemen , that is paying ISIS to kill Syrians, that sends drones all over the world to kill. How much does she have to do to impress you?
! don't know how Trump will act. Neither does anybody else. I do know he has shown less support for war than Hillary has, and has actually suggessted peaceful discussions with Russia and China.
With Hillary, we are guaranteed more of the moral and social decay that has eaten at the US for the last seventy years or so. And we know that this is guaranteed to take us with it. We know that she has long ago sold out to big money, and has, in consequence, become a wealthy woman. Her only attractive feature is that she doesn't grope other women.
Frankly, any support for Clinton is simple-minded.
Trump? Who knows? Anyway, if he tried to change course, I'm sure he would be killed.
! don't know how Trump will act. Neither does anybody else. I do know he has shown less support for war than Hillary has, and has actually suggessted peaceful discussions with Russia and China.
With Hillary, we are guaranteed more of the moral and social decay that has eaten at the US for the last seventy years or so. And we know that this is guaranteed to take us with it. We know that she has long ago sold out to big money, and has, in consequence, become a wealthy woman. Her only attractive feature is that she doesn't grope other women.
Frankly, any support for Clinton is simple-minded.
Trump? Who knows? Anyway, if he tried to change course, I'm sure he would be killed.
GordW
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It is far from apparent that HRC is under investigation by the FBI. IT is apparent that e-mails somehow linked to her/her campaign have been involved in an FBI investigation of another matter--specifically sexting by Anthony Weiner.
And it is also apparent that the FBI director does not like HRC (his announcement earlier that there were no ground for charges against her was filled with "I sure wish we could lay charges" rhetoric) and is plausible that he is making a political play.
ANd then there is the fact that multiple Republicans (or Republican leaning folk) have spoken against the most recent FBI announcement. One was a staffer in the Bush White House, here is another one:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...83e4b064e1b4b30d55?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063
One must excel beyond the former ... ideal!
Graeme Decarie
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Waterfall, I know of no evidence that Trump would support murder on the scale that Clinton does.
Northwind
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That may only because he has not been in power in Washington yet. Give him time.
I would say the majority of the American people support most of the wars they become involved in. In retrospect they sometimes lament (Iraq war)..... during the initial engagement of war....not so much. Both Clinton and Trump are Americans. Canadians on the other hand are just blind as to what their government is doing that supports war or we choose to ignore it.