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chansen said:
I think a live-and-let-live approach is worth pursuing here. I just don't see that playing out in the UCCan or in the Facebook comments that *insist* on belief *or else*, and it would be nice to see people who prefer a Jesus-centric church defending the right of other UCCan churches to be different.
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There are "progressive" groups that exist for just that purpose. I know of one here in the Maritimes. They have every right to exist and do what they wish to do.
 
Thanks for stopping in Nick - hoping you'll continue to be with us. Appreciate the updated Cruxifusion website - helps to clarify some of the confusion that triggered discussion here.
 
RevNP said:
There are "progressive" groups that exist for just that purpose. I know of one here in the Maritimes. They have every right to exist and do what they wish to do.
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And I bet there are some people in both camps.
 
RevNP said:
I can't name any, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Wouldn't surprise me a bit either. Since there are progressive Christians who are very focused on Jesus and his moral teachings. Perhaps those who take the supernatural elements of the Christian story as myth or metaphor. The virgin birth. The resurrection of the physical body and so on.

And there are other progressive Christians who are really advocating a post-Christian humanist approach.
 
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paradox3 said:
Wouldn't surprise me a bit either. Since there are progressive Christians who are very focused on Jesus and his moral teachings. Perhaps those who take the supernatural elements of the Christian story as myth or metaphor. The virgin birth. The resurrection of the physical body and so on.

And there are other progressive Christians who are really advocating a post-Christian humanist approach.
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Right, but the problem is that some Christians are aggressively attacking their physical positions and saying the post-Christians don't belong in the church. All the while, other Christians stay silent. I do think there is a severe unwillingness to be seen as "less Christian" than other Christians by defending the rights of non-Christians or post-Christians to stay under the church umbrella. You can not call yourselves "live and let live" or "radically inclusive" or anything of the sort while your associates are trashing and actively trying to remove good people who actively follow the ideals of Jesus, and saying nothing.
 
Jae said:
Christian churches in Christian denominations ought to be centered on Christ.
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And here's an example. From experience, this sort of statement from Jae will stand unopposed, unless I post. While some may just not want to engage Jae in conversation (and I can empathize), it could be written by someone else, and they too will remain unopposed. I don't get that.

Everyone seems worried about annoying the uber-Christians. Why?
 
chansen said:
And here's an example. From experience, this sort of statement from Jae will stand unopposed, unless I post. While some may just not want to engage Jae in conversation (and I can empathize), it could be written by someone else, and they too will remain unopposed. I don't get that.

Everyone seems worried about annoying the uber-Christians. Why?
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For me, it is all about not taking bait. Those arguments are old and long, and not where I wish to have conversations.
Sure, once in a while I may spin off a discussion on a topic, but, overall, challenges to those disucssion push us in the conservative fringes, whereas I would rather talk about the middle and other fringes.

Edit: and this is an example.
Instead of engaging with @paradox3 and @RevNP regarding the interesting cross-section of the two populations, I am explaining to an atheist why I am not engaging with a fundamentalist. Frick.
 
Okay, Jae is a bad example because most of what he posts is bait. But some people are dead serious, and are seriously interested in removing good people from the church to satisfy themselves, because they believe and the people they want out don't.

I wish more people would either stand up and be counted, or defend those who won't or can't stand up. That would be amazing. The people most standing up to the aggressive Christians are atheists, and atheist numbers are rising, so we're clearly not suffering numerically for it.
 
Interesting to read that the name "Cruxifusion" means "joined by the cross".

When I first heard the name I thought it was a wordplay on "crucifixion". :oops:
 
Now, we've gone a bit off topic here.

We were talking about Cruxifusion, which seems to be moving into a discussion around personal views of what we should believe or not, which has happened in several other threads.

Cruxifusion stands on a belief. It believes Jesus Christ is the cornerstone of the church. We firmly believe that. So to ask us to stand in support of others who oppose our fundamental view doesn't make a lot of sense to me. So instead we're silent on the issue. Sure, people who identify as Cruxers may be involved with discussions, but Cruxifusion as an organization will remain silent.

We choose to be silent because are not politically motivated. We simply desire to be a blessing to those who want to be in contact with people like us. If we are able to help the church, we are happy to do so. But we don't wish to be part of something which causes division. We're very Canadian that way I suppose :)

Generally, churches led by Cruxers tend to be doing very well. Sure there are some which are struggling for a variety of reasons, but a majority of Cruxer churches are standing firm in membership or growing. My own church has seen a 100% increase in attendance over the last 5 years (40 to 80 in small town, Catholic Cape Breton).

If other views are also doing well, good for them too. You do what you do, and I'll do what I do.
 
However one should not get caught in a false light ... or speaking out with marbles in your mouth as bust on a pedestal! Look for the real experience while you can ... mutuality is a benefit ...
 
RevNP said:
Yes, it's a very clever term thought up by a very wise mentor to many of us.
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We're all in the crucible together ... a hard grind untile getting out and looking back ..."my ass" some powers would say ... lead on! The motif in Savalla's Beau Jest ... just before he marched those guise off the edge ... an authority thingy!

For those that can't get it together ... like the Kling ons ... cling Ayres ?
 
paradox3 said:
Is there a way to locate such a church? I would be interested to know if there is one in my area.
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We don't keep a "listing" but we can query folks to see if they know of one in your area. Since your profile says you are in Toronto, I can recommend Alderwood in Etobicoke with Rev. Dr. Connie DenBok. (who coined the term "Cruxifusion")
 
chansen said:
And here's an example. From experience, this sort of statement from Jae will stand unopposed, unless I post.
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What is to oppose?

What, in your estimation, should Christian churches in a Christian denomination be centered on?

I am not a fan of Jae's style. That doesn't mean I automatically dismiss what he says.
 
Live and let live...

Not how I read Paul in the epistles. Nor Jesus in Revelation.

Live and let live, in my understanding of scripture, is in fact live and let die.
 
Has Cruxifusion made statements as an organization on anything? Serious question, as I am trying to remember if I have every read any press releases.
 
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