Cruxifusion

[paradox3]

When it comes to the centrality of Jesus, it sounds like Cruxifusion provides excellent support and discussion opportunities for like-minded clergy. And that Christologies tend to be higher than lower but there is a real diversity of theological opinion.

The posts on this thread have been most informative. Thanks, everyone!

 

[chansen]

There really needs to be a "Cruxifiction" group to support those clergy who believe more metaphorically. Why could this not happen?

 

[Jaebius]

There really needs to be a "Cruxifiction" group to support those clergy who believe more metaphorically. Why could this not happen?

There must be at least one such group out there already - probably many.

 

[paradox3]

There really needs to be a "Cruxifiction" group

Took me a minute to catch this play on words. . . good one, chansen!

 

[chansen]

There is the non-denominational The Clergy Project, but that's really for closet atheists. There needs to be a group in the UCCan advocating for a metaphorical approach.

 

[paradox3]

There is the non-denominational The Clergy Project, but that's really for closet atheists. There needs to be a group in the UCCan advocating for a metaphorical approach.

Why do you think there needs to be such a group? There are various ways to be metaphorical (as indicated by the discussion upthread) and I would say that some of them are fairly mainstream in this denomination.

 

[chansen]

There is Cruxifusion advocating one direction for leaders in the UCCan. I'm suggesting that there should, or at least could, be a group promoting an alternate viewpoint.

 

[paradox3]

There is Cruxifusion advocating one direction for leaders in the UCCan. I'm suggesting that there should, or at least could, be a group promoting an alternate viewpoint.

Do you mean an alternative to being Christ-centred?

I am not even sure Cruxifusion is advocating a particular direction for leaders in the UCCan. I have the impression they are providing collegial support for those who are already Christ-centred. But this may be incorrect . . .

 

[revjohn]

But this may be incorrect

As a matter of fact. You are quite correct.

 

[chansen]

Before every GC, they ask the candidates for moderator a series of questions to determine just how "Christ-centric" they really are. They clearly want moderators who are clear believers.

 

[revjohn]

There really needs to be a "Cruxifiction" group to support those clergy who believe more metaphorically. Why could this not happen?

No reason why it could not happen.

All that is missing is somebody or somebodies willing to invest the time in such an organization.

 

[revjohn]

Before every GC, they ask the candidates for moderator a series of questions to determine just how "Christ-centric" they really are. They clearly want moderators who are clear believers.

Which is unreasonable because?

 

[Mendalla]

Before every GC, they ask the candidates for moderator a series of questions to determine just how "Christ-centric" they really are. They clearly want moderators who are clear believers.

Which is unreasonable because?

Really, if you are going to be voting for the moderator of a Christian church, I think it quite reasonable to ask their views on Christ. In fact, I'd find it unreasonable if those questions weren't being asked.

 

[Luce NDs]

Is metaphorically too extreme an expression for metaphysical spectres?

 

[RevNP]

Great conversation here folks. I'll chip in once the long weekend comes to a close.

 

[Luce NDs]

A good dialogue is like a good aghue ... the "gh" silent in one traditional perspective and thus never seen in the silent de baiting ... and thus man was hookered out of reality into distant virtue ... thus the sol goes on ... carious a wee bit of light ... like that matchstick girl at Christmas ... then you can strike up a fire anywhere you believe you can land a'mon ... as a sole singularity all yer own!

That's fisching ... when the other does know what's up!

 

[RevNP]

We've launched a new website this afternoon, one that has some more information about the organization.

http://cruxifusion.ca

As for all the speculation that has been happening about the money we receive, about who we are, what our motives are... we are just a bunch of clergy who want to network with other Jesus-centred clergy within the denomination.

We have a few FB groups, one which is closed for clergy only, and another which is more open for anyone to engage in discussion. (except for the aforementioned banned Mr. Booth)

As has been mentioned, we are widely diverse. We have clergy who lead Affirm congregations, we have one who self-identifies as "Queer as the come". Yes, we do have former CoC who hang out with us, who has an amazing friendship with our "queer" member. What it all boils down to is we love Jesus having as the centre of our church, and welcome anyone else who does too.

Other people may disagree with us, and that's fine. You do what you do, we'll do what we do, and we'll very happily engage in respectful conversation with anyone who wishes to talk to us.

As for the CoC money, we deliberated long and hard over that as a board. In the end we decided that since we were looking at one, or at most two, conferences remaining in our current format, we needed something to bridge the gap to help keep our conferences affordable. The money came at a good time for us, and we don't hide the fact we received it, nor do we flaunt it. They had money to get rid of, we had a need, it seemed like a good time to take it.

I'm happy to continue chatting, now that we have power back here in Cape Breton.

Blessings to you all.
-Nick

 

[RevNP]

Yes, we do have former CoC who hang out with us, who has an amazing friendship with our "queer" member. What it all boils down to is we love Jesus having as the centre of our church, and welcome anyone else who does too

Should say "One who has an amazing..."

 

[chansen]

And I think there is room for having Jesus as the centre of some UCCan churches. It just seems that there are other UCCan churches that are more interested in other centres, and that there should be a gathering place for those church leaders, and a recognition that Jesus-centric thinking is not the only way to skin the cat.

I think a live-and-let-live approach is worth pursuing here. I just don't see that playing out in the UCCan or in the Facebook comments that *insist* on belief *or else*, and it would be nice to see people who prefer a Jesus-centric church defending the right of other UCCan churches to be different.

 

[Jaebius]

And I think there is room for having Jesus as the centre of some UCCan churches. It just seems that there are other UCCan churches that are more interested in other centres, and that there should be a gathering place for those church leaders, and a recognition that Jesus-centric thinking is not the only way to skin the cat.

I think a live-and-let-live approach is worth pursuing here. I just don't see that playing out in the UCCan or in the Facebook comments that *insist* on belief *or else*, and it would be nice to see people who prefer a Jesus-centric church defending the right of other UCCan churches to be different.

Christian churches in Christian denominations ought to be centered on Christ.