Muslims & Christians: Same God?

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Some Unitarians identify as Christians but many do not.

There are today "unitarian" as opposed to "Unitarian" Christians - ie, people who definitely define themselves as Christians but reject the concept of the trinity and are not part of the Unitarian Universalist Church. Whether they're considered "Christian" by other Christians is a different subject, and hard to do, since there's no universal body that gets to make the call on who is and who is not a Christian. One example of unitarian Christians would be the United Pentecostal Church. They call themselves a "Oneness" church rather than unitarian, possibly to avoid confusion with the UU Church. Some refer to the UPC as a "Jesus Only" church. Basically, while they don't shy away from "Father, Son and Holy Spirit," they believe that the Father and the Holy Spirit are just different titles for one God, and that the one God was manifested by Jesus in the flesh. So, for them, basically Jesus functions as Father, Son and Holy Spirit all in one, and there is no sense of one God existing in three persons, as in traditional Christianity. Rather than baptizing "in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit," they baptize only "in the name of Jesus Christ." In most other ways they're pretty typical Pentecostals. Tongues, etc. They are very charismatic and very, very socially conservative.

Strangely enough I had a talk with someone from a United Pentecostal Church just a couple of weeks ago about their beliefs. This is just a very brief synopsis. It's much more complicated.

 

[airclean33]

Good Morning Neo-- Your post--
Neo said:
Religion is a set of man-made doctrines, not God-made doctrines. It's not "what" we believe but "how" we believe.
Airclean said:
This is what you see Neo. It is not what I see or believe . We who are called Born agains. Have two ways to understand or see GOD. One being of course is by GODS Word The Bible. The other is By The Living GOD who in the form of The Holy Spirit, dwells in us , He helps us to learn His ways, He teaches us to walk His walk" and understand, His LOVE" As FATHER OF ALL. By myself I can't even see why, He Loves even" me so. Neo, my change did not start with GODS Living Word. It Stared with The LIVING GOD. I did not seek Him, but He me. Or maybe he had come before only I wasn't listing. That day though I heard , and all Praise to Him . I have never stopped hearing Him.
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Neo--post--
"GODS Word The Bible" was written and interpreted by men. It didn't just appear out of nowhere one day.

Airclean--post-- I was wondering Neo. Ever have you ever received a letter , or legal paper from a lawyer .You do understand the secretary probably wrote the paper or typed it. It don't mean it is from the secretary how ever. But it came from the Lawyer. It is His words and is legal . So came the word of GOD. Though it was a man or women ,who wrote", what they were told. It came from GOD" and is very Legal.I have called The Bible The Living Word of GOD. But have been told by Ministers here , it is not. I guess they think as you, That the Bible was written by the mine of a person. Although I don't know any human that was on earth well GOD' was making an forming it. Makes you wonder don't it?

 

[blackbelt1961]

Airclean--post-- It came from GOD" and is very Legal.I have called The Bible The Living Word of GOD. But have been told by Ministers here , it is not. I guess they think as you, That the Bible was written by the mine of a person. Although I don't know any human that was on earth well GOD' was making an forming it. Makes you wonder don't it?

aircleen, that is false witness on your part, there is not One Minister here that does not believe the word of God, what there arguing with you , as I do as well, is your interpretation, your misunderstanding and your changing of words like your "sin" belief is not Bible based. Then when you cant prove your belief from "Gods word", you clam " you see Im a born again" as if the Ministers here are not

 

[airclean33]

Neo you posted this . I am sorry I missed it in my first reading.

Can you believe that Jesus was a man and that Christ, the Christos, was a representative of God?

Airclean--post--I would say if Christos ,is a name you want to call Christ Jesus, that's up to you. He was call by many names. Messiah", was the inner part of Jesus was call'. The one sent by GOD , we also are told He was and is GODS only begotten son.

 

[Luce NDs]

Then is Christ is associated with light and levity ... will logical processes become heavy and dark? Picture humanized Black Holes! They are not that uncommon and thus packed densely!

Paul Davies related Trinitarian-ism ... with triangular's and adverse to square deals (X-squared) for the forth part that would be Daniel in the Hebrew story ... especially if they couldn't round out the points of the Geo-metric God that evaluated things from outside the physical systems driven by bull ... or religious decrees that were hard to render logically!

Mathematical logic does not present itself well if not inherent (or contained) in a story. Ever notice that teaching goes more smoothly if associated with a story? Some psychologist that the mind is mostly story and thus some say the mind is a lyre ... but perhaps just a harmonic AUM'r ... fixed one-liners or those denying variants can't see this and don't get the point of attribute that are inherent or hidden! Susan Monk Kid evaluated this in The Secret Life of Bees and other states of being and becoming ... thus the waxy goings ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Neo you posted this . I am sorry I missed it in my first reading.

Can you believe that Jesus was a man and that Christ, the Christos, was a representative of God?

Airclean--post--I would say if Christos ,is a name you want to call Christ Jesus, that's up to you. He was call by many names. Messiah", was the inner part of Jesus was call'. The one sent by GOD , we also are told He was and is GODS only begotten son.

Do mortal men have we sparks of life buried in them innately .. or not wisely as some nonsense may be required for the opposing being to complete the creative operation. Many ministers will refer to this as evil as metaphorically a mental-physical screw-up in the soul-body connection ... without interpretation of observation this may be lost to them graphically ... or why some barnyard politics is considered poor no-graphic ... but can contribute to goings on in the lofts ... high places in the life of linguistic intercourse?

 

[airclean33]

aircleen, that is false witness on your part, there is not One Minister here that does not believe the word of God, what there arguing with you , as I do as well, is your interpretation, your misunderstanding and your changing of words like your "sin" belief is not Bible based. Then when you cant prove your belief from "Gods word", you clam " you see Im a born again" as if the Ministers here are not

--Good Morning Brother .. You seem to have a problem with my posts blackbelt . Lets sett it straight now.
You called me a false witness ? I say again a Minister here , told me . I cannot call The Bible a Living Word of GOD. I just showed Neo how that works. That you believe it or not is up to you.

You really want to talk about Sin again ? I still believe that those who are save by the Blood Of Christ Jesus. Do not
live under The Law. With out the Law what is sin? That we should do no evil" I agree. If I do what GOD finds wrong , He will deal with me , not condemn me for it. ---By The way I posted GODS word on Sin .You turned it away as though you could not read. If you feel I am wrong I will wait a wile for your post.

 

[Luce NDs]

Some emotional experts refuse to look about them at intellect that is out there scattered by god's devilish shadow ... the twin in the smoky mire-aura?


You would believe what's happening on the other side of the panes of heaven! Black Glass ... obsidian ?

 

[blackbelt1961]

--Good Morning Brother .. You seem to have a problem with my posts blackbelt . Lets sett it straight now.

You called me a false witness ? I say again a Minister here , told me . I cannot call The Bible a Living Word of GOD. I just showed Neo how that works. That you believe it or not is up to you.

ok lets do that Brother, post the verse, where you think thats what it says

You really want to talk about Sin again ?

no I dont because you dont understand, you Feel the word should have been " a wrong" and you feel you have the right to change the word

I still believe that those who are save by the Blood Of Christ Jesus. Do not
live under The Law. With out the Law what is sin? That we should do no evil" I agree. If I do what GOD finds wrong , He will deal with me , not condemn me for it. ---By The way I posted GODS word on Sin .You turned it away as though you could not read. If you feel I am wrong I will wait a wile for your post.

we all feel you are wrong one the topic of sin, including main stream Christianity

 

[Luce NDs]

Ah ... the sinful attitude in the brotherhood ... or sibling rivalry thing ... love quickly evaporates without compromise and rendering down of desires and separate wishes that the other would boot out --- SHUE Maqon Roués ... let the foot ball begin ...

 

[Neo]

Do mortal men have we sparks of life buried in them innately .. or not wisely as some nonsense may be required for the opposing being to complete the creative operation. Many ministers will refer to this as evil as metaphorically a mental-physical screw-up in the soul-body connection ... without interpretation of observation this may be lost to them graphically ... or why some barnyard politics is considered poor no-graphic ... but can contribute to goings on in the lofts ... high places in the life of linguistic intercourse?

If you're asking me if I believe that "everyone" has a spark of life buried within them, the "yes" I believe that. The only difference, I believe, between us and the Christ is that only we only believe in our divinity, whereas the Christ was totally identified and "at-one" with His divinity.

 

[airclean33]

Hi blackbelt---your post---
airclean33 said: ↑
You called me a false witness ? I say again a Minister here , told me . I cannot call The Bible a Living Word of GOD. I just showed Neo how that works. That you believe it or not is up to you.
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Blackbelt--post--
ok lets do that Brother, post the verse, where you think thats what it says


--Airclean--post--
Jer 23:36But 'the burden of the LORD' you shall mention no more, for the burden is every man's own word, and you pervert the words of the living God, the LORD of hosts, our God.

Dan 4:17The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men, and gives it to whom he will, and sets over it the lowliest of men.'

Heb 4:12For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

1Pe 1:23You have been born anew, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;

Please read and explain your, take on the meanings.

 

[Luce NDs]

If you're asking me if I believe that "everyone" has a spark of life buried within them, the "yes" I believe that. The only difference, I believe, between us and the Christ is that only we only believe in our divinity, whereas the Christ was totally identified and "at-one" with His divinity.

Some people cannot settle on that spark ... they wish to set bon fires everywhere as emotional flames (sometimes flameouts?).

 

[airclean33]

If you're asking me if I believe that "everyone" has a spark of life buried within them, the "yes" I believe that. The only difference, I believe, between us and the Christ is that only we only believe in our divinity, whereas the Christ was totally identified and "at-one" with His divinity.

This is Jesus The Christ's Last prayer for us . I would have them be one . Even as we are.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Hi blackbelt---your post---
airclean33 said: ↑
You called me a false witness ? I say again a Minister here , told me . I cannot call The Bible a Living Word of GOD. I just showed Neo how that works. That you believe it or not is up to you.
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Blackbelt--post--
ok lets do that Brother, post the verse, where you think thats what it says


--Airclean--post--
Jer 23:36But 'the burden of the LORD' you shall mention no more, for the burden is every man's own word, and you pervert the words of the living God, the LORD of hosts, our God.

Dan 4:17The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men, and gives it to whom he will, and sets over it the lowliest of men.'

Heb 4:12For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

1Pe 1:23You have been born anew, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;

Please read and explain your, take on the meanings.

I didnt ask for bible vises , I ask for you to Post where the Ministers here say the bible is not Gods word

Please post It

 

[Luce NDs]

"the burden is every man's own word"

Tautological approach: This is connected to the Lord's word ... hard for some people to carry ... right, or is that bier/bare or bear?

Is it difficult to put such an inherent condition together when rye? Thus we continue to not know as we can't gather ... not very gravid creations are we ... except when creating bodies without metaphysical options ... general caring and thoughtfulness?

Tautological and ontological appear to be contraries! Words needing evaluation and multiple etudes!

Why creation possibly made so many copies of the images of god ... as many prototypes don't function well as diverse or divine ... only monomaniacal ... mental non-substance to sieve through for remnants of original knowledge sinful to one type of god that refuses soulful process? Thus the opposing nonsense flies! Sometimes seen as UFO's ...

 

[airclean33]

Airclean--post--
You really want to talk about Sin again ?


--blackbelt--post--
no I dont because you dont understand, you Feel the word should have been " a wrong" and you feel you have the right to change the word

Not sure what your saying hear . Can you explain what I said?

 

[airclean33]

I didnt ask for bible vises , I ask for you to Post where the Ministers here say the bible is not Gods word

Please post It

I said The Living Word Of GOD..I have seen healing come from The Word, I have seen wonders by calling on GODS Word using that which GOD has said to use ,in the way GOD has said to use it. The Living Word Of GOD , Has Been the best Teacher to me at least , than any other , save The Holy Spirit".

 

[blackbelt1961]

Airclean--post--
You really want to talk about Sin again ?


--blackbelt--post--
no I dont because you dont understand, you Feel the word should have been " a wrong" and you feel you have the right to change the word

Not sure what your saying hear . Can you explain what I said?

Go back an re read the sin thread, you feel James, should nave not use the word "sin" but a "wrong"

if you deny it now that you said that , i will go back find the thread and repost it here for you

 

[Luce NDs]

The story of chaos ad infinitum ...