Walking on Water

[jimkenney12]

The lectionary for August 13 includes the story of Jesus walking on water. I hope to start a thread on it in early August. I believe it has been discussed a few times on Wonder Cafe. I think I would like to focus on the difference between. Peter and the other disciples and use the story of a dream by a young man. In the dream he is holding an unlit candle and approaches Jesus who is holding a burning candle. The young man lights his cantle and turns to take his lit candle into the dark. It goes out and he returns to Jesus to relight his candle. He turns, leaves, and his candle goes out again. This repeats several times and he is embarrassed to need to keep lighting his candle. Then he notices he goes further into the dark each time before needing to relight his candle.

 

[Luce NDs]

If Jesus is de light ... did heh skip across the water one dark and stormy night that was something of a metaphor for Eris in darker form?

Many stories start that way ... acknowledging the mystery of initially, what we didn't know!

Now some of us learn a bit and believe then that we know the eternal thing ... alter to that some learn that the more we know the more we recognize the unknown!

It may explain why some believe they understand the power of greed whil others understand this is improbable according to quantum observation (a science in its own rite)!

Is there need for a bote, containment or some type of vessel to contain, or express the aforesaid as connection ... otherwise dissonant deconstruction of lies we been told? Virtue is shattered into shards ... Runes! Do not go off the rails it is just parts of a word that can be re assembled ... poorly given mortal societal skills ...

 

[unsafe]

Then he notices he goes further into the dark each time before needing to relight his candle.

the question is -----
Is there really darkness ??????----or is the dark just a lack of light -------

People also ask
What is the true meaning of darkness?
absence or deficiency of light
absence or deficiency of light:the darkness of night.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Darkness, the direct opposite of lightness, is defined as a lack of illumination, an absence of visible light, or a surface that absorbs light, such as black.


I say ----so if the dark is just the absent of light ---then the boy can't go further into the darkness each time before needing his candle relit ------as there is no deep darkness to descend into -------when there is no light present it is just dark ---- there are no degrees of darkness ------

Just throwing this out there as food for thought for your discussion -------

 

[Luce NDs]

Alas darkness is there in the unconscious mind but those confined there can't see it because of character flaws.

Imagine the abstract of all the light we cannot see ... and then people will argue the point of it! Thus dark projections into the alternate ... out of sight!

It may be just word(s) due to the inky justice system ... almost occult due to the extent of obscurity! Yet ... guess what ... those in blind faith will claim ode things ... when in effect we know little ... because of our support of power against intelligence, etc. I tend to call it the power of denial ... powers support it ... thus it is beyond us ... borderline personality disorder in those claiming order! The ins of outs ... and reciprocation ... dance to milieu ...

 

[unsafe]

Anyone who wants to walk on water ----must first have the Faith to step out of the boat -----Peter was very afraid to step out of the boat and told Jesus to call to him ------only then did he have the courage to step out of the boat and walk on the water -----when your focus is on Jesus nothing is impossible -----there is no darkness when your focused on the light ----it is only when you turn the light switch off that you stand in the dark ---

Leap of Faith ---step out of the boat ----



God's Faith enabling the impossible



the light turned off ----sinking to the dark

 

[jimkenney12]

Peter was brave enough to reach for the light. The other disciples just sat there or held their oars. Peter may have let go in the story but he seemed to have reached out again later. It is better to try and fail than not try at all.

 

[jimkenney12]

The service for August 13 was cancelled as they were unable to get a musician so I will not do anymore on other than the following comment.

The story of Peter Trying To walk on water linked to the dream about the candle. The gospels have many stories about Peter's failures. At least he kept taking risks by speaking out or acting. Most of the other disciples rarely show any initiative. He kept going back to Jesus and trying again. The other disciples in the boat do nothing other than show fear. Peter's efforts in this story should prod us to take risks.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Peter sometimes reminds me of King David. Tremendous will in a psyche that kept on failing him.

 

[Luce NDs]

Peter sometimes reminds me of King David. Tremendous will in a psyche that kept on failing him.

Thus intensely deep and stormy waters ... requires a bridge to contain them! So much lost if you pass over in too much of a dash ...

Who stirred the waters but Michael? Could've been the night heat ...

 

[Mystic]

During my tour of Israel we stayed overnight in a little motel on the east bank of the Sea of Galilee just opposite Tiberias on the west bank. The next mornng brought an insight that was a highlight of our tour for me. Right next to our motel was a significant mountain near the sea and I realized that this must be the mountain of the contiguous stories of the Feeding of the 5,000 followed by Jesus walking on the water in John 6:1-21.
After the feeding miracle Jesus sends His disciples by boat towards Capernaum and goes up the mountain of the feeding site, presumably to spend time in prayer (6:21). the next time the disciples see Him, He is walking on water beside the boat in a strong wind. 2 geographical details of the story indicate tbat the mountain adjacent to our motel is the scene of the Feeding of the 5,000.

(1) Spectators from ancient Tiberias across the sea notice that the disciples have left the mountain without Jesus and row boats to try in vain to track Jesus down there (6:22-23). Modern Tiberias is directly across from the mountain and the adjacent motel where we were staying and its lights made the sea shine like a pearl after dark.

(2) On their boat journey to Capernaum, the disciples are 3 1/2 miles out (= "25 ot 30 stadia"--6:19) when they see Jesus walking on the water.
This detail places their point of departure several miles down the east side of the 13-mile long Sea of Galilee. The mountain beside our motel is the only candidate for the mountain visible from Tiberias, ;which is just over half way down the west side of the sea of Galilee. So the disciples are just over half way to Capernaum when they see Jesus walking on the water.
I pointed all this out to our Israeli tour guide, Kenny, and he said the mountain was on private property and, to his knowledge, had never been excavated in search of archaeological signs like buried inscriptions commemorating the Feeding miracle. There is a chance that some ancient inscription or other ancient memento lies buried somewhere on that mountain.

This geographical evidence supplements the case made by Cambridge scholar C. H. Dodd in his magisterial book "History and Tradition in the Fourth Gospe; for the unique accuracy of historical and cultural details of the Fourth Gospel. Is this the same mountain on which Jesus' resurrection appearance in Matthew 28:16-20 occurred in a prearranged site familiar to Jesus' Galilean followers?

 

[Luce NDs]

If Jesus is de light ... can it often been seen rippling across the water as ringers ... especially in the moonlight? This can cause stormy conditions ... and off shoots ...

 

[Mystic]

In a replica of a first century Galilean fishing boat, we followed the disciples boat trip route from the mountain of the Feeding miracle to Capernaum, noting the high winds that can come off the Golan Heights behind our motel.

 

[Luce NDs]

Botes appeared elsewhere too ... a Viking Curse or purge? Runes ... few recognize the Nordic script ... strange tongue?