I hate scaremongering. A tangent to avoid the tumbleweeds here. Lol.

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Pavlos Maros

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There's this man-made sweetener called aspartame, used in canned diet drinks and tons of other 'sugar-free' stuff, that some people scaremonger as extremely dangerous.

The reality is much less dramatic.

Aspartame is only a genuine concern for people with phenylketonuria (PKU), a rare genetic condition affecting about 0.004% of the population, roughly 450,000 out of a population of 8.3 billion. This is because aspartame is 50% phenylalanine, a natural amino acid they cannot safely process.

For everyone else, phenylalanine is not a toxin. It is an essential amino acid we all consume daily in foods like meat, dairy, eggs, fish and even some plants. A typical meal contains far more phenylalanine than a can of diet fizzy drink ever would.

So if these scaremongers are genuinely worried about “too much” phenylalanine, they should be telling people to stop eating protein altogether and go fully vegan. But even then, many vegan supplements, chewable vitamins and sugar-free products contain aspartame anyway, which puts them straight back to square one.

Bottom line, for the 99.996% of people without PKU, aspartame in normal amounts is considered safe. The warnings exist for a rare medical condition, not because it poses a general danger.

whats you take on it?
 
Pavlos Maros said:
There's this man-made sweetener called aspartame, used in canned diet drinks and tons of other 'sugar-free' stuff, that some people scaremonger as extremely dangerous.

The reality is much less dramatic.

Aspartame is only a genuine concern for people with phenylketonuria (PKU), a rare genetic condition affecting about 0.004% of the population, roughly 450,000 out of a population of 8.3 billion. This is because aspartame is 50% phenylalanine, a natural amino acid they cannot safely process.

For everyone else, phenylalanine is not a toxin. It is an essential amino acid we all consume daily in foods like meat, dairy, eggs, fish and even some plants. A typical meal contains far more phenylalanine than a can of diet fizzy drink ever would.

So if these scaremongers are genuinely worried about “too much” phenylalanine, they should be telling people to stop eating protein altogether and go fully vegan. But even then, many vegan supplements, chewable vitamins and sugar-free products contain aspartame anyway, which puts them straight back to square one.

Bottom line, for the 99.996% of people without PKU, aspartame in normal amounts is considered safe. The warnings exist for a rare medical condition, not because it poses a general danger.

whats you take on it?.
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One of my mentors declared there was nothing in this world that we can do without at least a trace and nothing that was not toxic in concentration leaving a question about "nothing" and relationship with existence vs the immortal as nothing appears to go on for a great measure (of how you measure it ... I do not know)!

Nothing presents as only interesting to the curiosity of rare scientists ... as Black Hole Theory ... were everything is rendered down ... to math that most cannot swallow, or digest as it is unacceptable in some alien way. This is potentially because of the extent of our autonomous system! It is a curious item of contention to a great flood of people ... paradigmatic? IC it that way ... older philosophers saw it fall from the tree ... the fruit of epistemology of a sort or strange type? Ineffable eh ... the rodding, caning and staffing of some edifices ... straw dwellings? Circular constructs ...
 
BetteTheRed said:
I think it tastes wyrd.
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Ditto. I rarely drink pop anymore and prefer Zero to Diet when I do. The mix of sweeteners Zero drinks use tastes better to me than straight aspartame which is what is in most Diet drinks. If available, I drink something like Bubly or Aha. Those have no added sweetener, just fruit juice in soda water. And given how well controlled my glucose is, I'll just go for sugar sometimes. Too many drink fountains only have colas in Zero and I prefer ginger ales or lemon-limey drinks like 7Up and Sprite.
 
There are other factors that are more significant and yet receive no attention whatsoever ... why?

It seems we'd rather not wish to know as we desire opposing matters ... like passion activities! Mores to consider than tall ET's ...

Do you know all the metaphors for "ets" over a great spell of time? Thas all one has to know ... everything ... difficult? Certainly hard for a large sector ... diamonds in the ru-ah-L ...
 
We try to eat and drink actual food. This painlessly avoids many of the chemical substitutes manufacturers add to make their products tasty. . Not sure that wither of us have ingested aspartane.
 
KayTheCurler said:
We try to eat and drink actual food. This painlessly avoids many of the chemical substitutes manufacturers add to make their products tasty. . Not sure that wither of us have ingested aspartane.
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Aspartame is a man-made fusion of two natural chemicals. One half is phenylalanine, which is the dangerous part, but only to people with PKU (phenylketonuria).

Aspartame is not only in canned drinks, it is also in flavoured waters and some juice drinks, chewing gum, gelatin jelly, puddings and hard candies, fat-free yogurts, ice creams and dairy-based dessert toppings, breakfast cereals, instant oatmeal packets, syrups, ketchup, and salad dressings, etc.

Phenylalanine, which is 50% of aspartame and the dangerous part especially for people with PKU, is found in natural foods such as meat, dairy, eggs, fish and even plants. So even if you eat and drink normal food and have not ingested aspartame, you will most certainly have ingested phenylalanine, often in much larger quantities than in a canned drink. You literally cannot avoid it.

Hence why my post is "I hate scaremongering", because aspartame is no worse for you than phenylalanine. You just have to be careful if you have PKU.
 
I think Bette and I were both clear that our issue with aspartame isn't health, though, we just don't like the taste of stuff sweetened with it. In my case, there are other sweeteners I prefer and since my diabetes is well controlled, I can still get away with the real thing in moderation.
Pavlos Maros said:
Have You tried in all the foods it's put in.Or just canned drinks?
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I have, though not often. It is just not enough like sugar for my tastebuds and I have heard that from others, too. I also know people who swear by it. There's an individual component to how we react to tastes and that's as true of aspartame as it is sugar itself. My wife, among others, finds a lot of stuff in the West is too sweet in general regardless of the sweetener.
 
When people die ... where do such things, they have consumed, go? The spread of broken people ... is complex!

A late mentor JF Wilkes a world renowned water treatment specialist had a lot to say about limits and mortal dimensions that we poorly assimilated ... as simulated water boarding event ... non-gated affair.

Yet still water appears significant in life, the body being 70% and the neural tissue more than 80% ... yet wither it does and goes! A wrinkled old image ... not matter the sexual identification because, well, we're past that and can observe it objectively ... some look back with particularly odd impressions that can rock the vessels! Eternal satyr ... over the great mix-up ...

Imagine entering Sophia as a great buried reservoir in turkey ... many parallels arise!
 
Mendalla said:
I think Bette and I were both clear that our issue with aspartame isn't health, though, we just don't like the taste of stuff sweetened with it. In my case, there are other sweeteners I prefer and since my diabetes is well controlled, I can still get away with the real thing in moderation.

I have, though not often. It is just not enough like sugar for my tastebuds and I have heard that from others, too. I also know people who swear by it. There's an individual component to how we react to tastes and that's as true of aspartame as it is sugar itself. My wife, among others, finds a lot of stuff in the West is too sweet in general regardless of the sweetener.
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My apologies if I came across as rude. I should not assume, it certainly makes a fool of me.
 
I don't find you rude; just direct, like many of your fellow citizens.

I don't eat "light" or "diet" items, largely because I am too thin to start with, and Light and Diet are often code words for chemical shitstorm...
 
BetteTheRed said:
I don't find you rude; just direct, like many of your fellow citizens.

I don't eat "light" or "diet" items, largely because I am too thin to start with, and Light and Diet are often code words for chemical shitstorm...
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Our food choices are REAL food. We decided that humans have been eating real food since forever. Our bodies aren't designed to eat artificial sweeteners, flavours, coloursetc..
It makes decisions easy and seems to be cheaper.
 
KayTheCurler said:
Our food choices are REAL food. We decided that humans have been eating real food since forever. Our bodies aren't designed to eat artificial sweeteners, flavours, coloursetc..
It makes decisions easy and seems to be cheaper.
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Agreed Kay. The point I was making is that saying aspartame as a artificial sweetener is dangerous is wrong. Yes it is artificial even if it is two natural chemicals fused together, that never fused naturally. One chemical of those two is dangerous to people with PKU. Its in real foods, meats, fish, eggs, dairy, and plants, etc.
So for anyone to claim the aspartame is dangerous, they would have to also say everything else is too.
 
This is anecdotal but interesting that, since the 50’s in North America, people have been eating more artificially modified foods, yet natural life expectancy went up for the boomer generation. It’s gone down the first time for other generations due to other factors: work culture stresses, work travel and communication schedules and sleep, socioeconomics, growing gaps in what was once good healthcare (in Canada)…and, I think, deterioration of community and social support that mainstream churches used to provide even if people only pretended to be religious.

My great grandparents ate farm fresh food but didn’t live longer for it. I grew up with a mixed diet. We were buying Tab Cola and Fresca (aspartame) way back. Mom has mostly switched from diet drinks to naturally flavoured soda water. I like that too. Latch-key kid meant I heated up processed meals maybe more than some - but it was also normal for the time. I was taught how to make a salad to go with it (even just lettuce and tomato, maybe cucumber, with some bottled salad dressing). My mom made sure (still does) that there were green veggies and/ or fresh fruit with every meal. She kept a Canada Food Guide poster on the fridge.
 
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If knowledge is frightening to some folk ... should we avoid it as we tumble along staggering in life ... due to some deficiency or excess?

It is like a trump card if you look at the face of it. Definers indicate that "trump" is a variation of triumph ... and so it goes as many of us are exorcised for pious reasons. In church that I was raised in they declared knowledge is evil and philosophy is ultimately corrupt because it could change the game.

We couldn't have that because it would simulate evolution ... therein the revolution begins ... as change is like passing stones ... if in the pool there is a need to get over and around ... sometimes needing superfluous activity (out of here?). Thus exorcisms ...

This cannot get through difficulty except in the form of story, myth, etc. See Eire this can be rendered to cere, or seer ... thus we stare into that head (powerful) space ... seems beyond and above as a metaphor! Can that be beaten ...

In egga' tha' ... there are manufactured forms! So we ga' tha' ... tos study what is poorly understood to have the capability to mean anything ... in any regards it will be twisted for purposes that may be dark and unseen ... so "look out" constantly ... falling can be complex icon ... consider falling in love! This too can be an uneven trait ... may assist if the duality is open about the hard spots ...

Nah, that wouldn't look good! So appearances pop-up in the turbulence ... did yah see it?
 
Luce NDs said:
If knowledge is frightening to some folk ... should we avoid it as we tumble along staggering in life ... due to some deficiency or excess?

It is like a trump card if you look at the face of it. Definers indicate that "trump" is a variation of triumph ... and so it goes as many of us are exorcised for pious reasons. In church that I was raised in they declared knowledge is evil and philosophy is ultimately corrupt because it could change the game.

We couldn't have that because it would simulate evolution ... therein the revolution begins ... as change is like passing stones ... if in the pool there is a need to get over and around ... sometimes needing superfluous activity (out of here?). Thus exorcisms ...

This cannot get through difficulty except in the form of story, myth, etc. See Eire this can be rendered to cere, or seer ... thus we stare into that head (powerful) space ... seems beyond and above as a metaphor! Can that be beaten ...

In egga' tha' ... there are manufactured forms! So we ga' tha' ... tos study what is poorly understood to have the capability to mean anything ... in any regards it will be twisted for purposes that may be dark and unseen ... so "look out" constantly ... falling can be complex icon ... consider falling in love! This too can be an uneven trait ... may assist if the duality is open about the hard spots ...

Nah, that wouldn't look good! So appearances pop-up in the turbulence ... did yah see it?
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Why is it up to you to determine? You seem to think so. Answer in a different thread, for pavlos’ sake.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Why is it up to you to determine? You seem to think so. Answer in a different thread, for pavlos’ sake.
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Ah you make a point about freedom of choice ... did you trump it ... I descend ... but then I have always felt that way ... little man in the growth ... that "shrink" sensation ... something toby rendered in the great conflict between ... you know! I won't say it ...

It appears in "f" able ...
 
The "f" thing leads into a very large production ... some functional and some without ability for vocation ... like me ... just exorcised to save money for the upper side ... death by a thousand cuts is the story of economical enigma! Few can figure why there is no solution when the corruption is right there under their nose ... maybe a false nose as knows goes ... metaphorical circular functions ... a great mix-up if I do say so myself! Then who am I to say such things as I'm there too --- Walter Cronkite! Kites enter the image ... also with strings and threads ...

If you know something I was told by corporate heads to keep it quiet and still ... they also hate alterations! Some are stoned on stillness ... until moved ... the grind goes on ... the earth turns ... and also that beyond. Is the turning related? Eclectic ...
 
I really like my food very close to nature. We eat largely fruit and veg (as local and seasonal as we can, except that I love fresh berries and citrus) with meat on the side (my guy eats more meat than I, but he's a lot bigger so a bigger mass to maintain). Some grains, a lot of beans, try to keep the simple carbs like flour down; I do make a weekly loaf of bread and buy buns/wraps to go with specific meals. I eat almost no dairy; he eats hard cheeses and whole milk. We eat a lot of eggs.
 
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