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unsafe said:
that is because they are not True Christians GordW -----if they were True Christians they would Agree with what God says in His word is truth ----the Holy Spirit Will Not Direct God's Children to veer from the truth of the Scripture -----
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By that logic, there were no "True Christians" before....***checks notes***....1830.

Sucks for those losers.
 
unsafe said:
-the terror which is coming upon this earth no one should want to be here and should be aware of what is coming
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God's Will be done. Nothing we can do about it. Obviously some think this is their ticket out without dying. The rest may accept their fate. The point is it is we who are at fault for letting the world deteriorate in the first place, having failed to follow the two commandments. Besides, what is so bad about God taking control away from mankind? Its funny how this generation thinks it is about them. I'm sure those in WW2 thought the same and so on back through the centuries. Live for today and make life better for someone else instead of worrying about tomorrow.

Matthew 6: 34Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
 
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timothyu said:
God's Will be done. Nothing we can do about it. Obviously some think this is their ticket out without dying. The rest may accept their fate. The point is it is we who are at fault for letting the world deteriorate in the first place having failed to follow the two commandments. Besides, what is so bad about God taking control away from mankind?
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Taking control away is against the theory of avarice ... chilling! It is like a snow job or something of that order ... even water gets hard in those conditions ...
 
unsafe said:
-but we have free will to decide to be in His wrath or be out of it
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I would say we have a choice of being the cause of it or not. That has always been the case and His teaching. His Will, not ours. If we prefer to worship 'self', we deserve the end for ourselves that we create.
 
unsafe said:
You can't do anything about God's will that is for sure ---but we have free will to decide to be in His wrath or be out of it ====
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The "God" you believe in, is an a**hole.

Is that sufficient? Because I'm willing to go further.
 
timothyu said:
Obviously some think this is their ticket out without dying.
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NO __NO and NO ---this is a promise -----

Romans 8:1
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Therefore there is now no condemnation [no guilty verdict, no punishment] for those who are in Christ Jesus [who believe in Him as personal Lord and Savior].

Being in the Tribulation for 7 years would be a punishment for the Saints to endure -----and that goes against the no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus -----


timothyu said:
I would say we have a choice of being the cause of it or not.
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the cause of what --the Tribulation ------no this is God's Judgment upon the wicked

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Scripture explicitly states that God will bring tribulation and righteous judgment upon the wicked. Key verses include 2 Thessalonians 1:6-7 ("repay with tribulation those who trouble you"), Romans 2:9 ("tribulation and anguish upon every soul of man that doeth wickedness"), and Isaiah 13:11, where God punishes the world for its evil

We humans caused this world to be in a wicked state ----we were not good stewards in the beginning ----we are the cause of the state of this earth as it is today ------
 
unsafe said:
we are the cause of the state of this earth as it is today
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"We" (humanity) caused the problem → God judges the wicked for it during Tribulation → but true believers like yourself are raptured/rescued first and not condemned?
 
If the beliers are removed first ... is that initial choice, or prejudice? If one gets mixed up over such observations is that turbulence in the heavens?

If God is within us would that remove his responsibility for what happens out there on the fringe (edge)?

It all appears as crappy, poorly understood icons forming bad words ... intercessional speech? In digression ... poor integration?

Diversion in word and its meaning ... as happens in Ir Anne the runner ... a Persian cat of sorts ... howls in the night ...

What do we know about such things? Very little as it is difficult to tell what a cat on a hot roof thinks ... mendacity?

Something more to reflect upon --- Beryl Ives ... as a green stone!
 
timothyu said:
Either way they first die
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Well ... there ... that question rests! Good that's out of the way of whatever goes onward ...

Can there be resistance to God (love of word) if mindlessness steps in to sweep the house? That's b' roomish ... like that personality in One Flew Over ... an escapee? Hold on I lost my fol*cuss there for an instant ... is that a joust ... or just something else again?

There's a great Mores out there ... some say mor ah ... without visibility ... dark matter! Tobe figured upon ... like resounding words in the vale ... rendering and thickening makes it hard to see through ... like a morning fog!
 
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WhyCzar said:
God judges the wicked for it during Tribulation
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No -------God is bringing the tribulation on unbelievers so they have a last chance to Receive Jesus a their Lord and Saviour and have eternal life ------after the tribulation the Judgment comes ------

Salvation is for the here and now -----Folks ---

Many unbelievers will be Saved during the Tribulation as the Gospel will be Preached all over the world ------by the 12 tribes of Israel and the 2 witnesses -----and some will Reject the Gospel and will not be saved ------


WhyCzar said:
but true believers are raptured/rescued first and not condemned?
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Scripture is Clear -----

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"No condemnation" (Romans 8:1)
signifies that those in Christ Jesus are legally cleared of guilt, forgiven of all sins,
and free from God's wrath, as Jesus bore that judgment on the cross.

It is a present-tense, positional reality that removes shame, replaces accusations with mercy, and liberates believers to live in the Spirit rather than fear.


I say ----God is taking out His Wrath upon the wicked in the 7 year Tribulation ----as He did in the Days Of Noah --------ALL Believers are free from that -----so says the Scripture -------

We all have free will to choice ------Accept the NO Condemnation or Reject it ------that is our individual choice -----we have no one to blame but our selves for our own choices ---

God says --------Choose LIFE ---NOT -----DEATH ----so you can choose the one you want ----if you choose Death -----that is on you-----not anyone else -----
 
unsafe said:
It is a present-tense, positional reality that removes shame, replaces accusations with mercy, and liberates believers to live in the Spirit rather than fear.
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Meaning follow His two commandments and His two orders
 
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