Something to think about: A tangent for a new year

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I've recently been answering questions put by Quora, so this starts there.

You write something thoughtful. Not clickbait, not rage, just a considered answer. People like it, they upvote it, and Quora makes sure you know. A little notification arrives. This mattered. Do more of this. However when people dislike it, when they down-vote it, nothing happens. No signal. No message. No friction. The post is simply shown to fewer people, quietly stepped away from the light.

That is the moment the system reveals itself.

On the surface, it looks neutral. In reality, it is teaching you how to behave. Approval is loud. Disapproval is silent. You are rewarded for fitting the mood and gently erased for challenging it. Platforms train people to think in terms of audience, not exchange. Visibility, not relationship. Agreement, not dialogue.

On Quora (this is the same with most social media) you are not meant to learn from disagreement. You are meant to learn what keeps you visible. Downvotes often mean someone disagreed, not that you were wrong. However disagreement slows momentum, so the system treats it like something to smooth over rather than examine.

Over time, people adapt without realising it. They stop writing what they think and start writing what will be noticed. They aim for nods, not conversations. The silence around down-votes teaches them that friction equals disappearance.
This design is not accidental. Platforms are not neutral public squares, they are attention-capture machines funded by engagement metrics. Down-votes that spark reflection do not serve the business model. Upvotes that encourage more posting do. The architecture is working exactly as intended, which is why individual resistance feels so futile.
You are not meant to question it. You are meant to perform.

What is interesting is that people who still notice this are usually not playing the optimisation game at all. They are still expecting systems to behave like human spaces. They expect feedback to mean something. They expect connection to be mutual. They expect disagreement to be part of understanding.

That expectation now feels out of place online, which says more about the systems than it does about the people holding it.

In a strange way, not getting it is a kind of clarity. It means you have not internalised the training. You are still operating from values rather than incentives. Most people stop questioning because the system works on them.

The ones who pause and say this is odd are usually the ones still thinking for themselves.
 
I've recently been answering questions put by Quora, so this starts there.

You write something thoughtful. Not clickbait, not rage, just a considered answer. People like it, they upvote it, and Quora makes sure you know. A little notification arrives. This mattered. Do more of this. However when people dislike it, when they down-vote it, nothing happens. No signal. No message. No friction. The post is simply shown to fewer people, quietly stepped away from the light.

That is the moment the system reveals itself.

On the surface, it looks neutral. In reality, it is teaching you how to behave. Approval is loud. Disapproval is silent. You are rewarded for fitting the mood and gently erased for challenging it. Platforms train people to think in terms of audience, not exchange. Visibility, not relationship. Agreement, not dialogue.

On Quora (this is the same with most social media) you are not meant to learn from disagreement. You are meant to learn what keeps you visible. Downvotes often mean someone disagreed, not that you were wrong. However disagreement slows momentum, so the system treats it like something to smooth over rather than examine.

Over time, people adapt without realising it. They stop writing what they think and start writing what will be noticed. They aim for nods, not conversations. The silence around down-votes teaches them that friction equals disappearance.
This design is not accidental. Platforms are not neutral public squares, they are attention-capture machines funded by engagement metrics. Down-votes that spark reflection do not serve the business model. Upvotes that encourage more posting do. The architecture is working exactly as intended, which is why individual resistance feels so futile.
You are not meant to question it. You are meant to perform.

What is interesting is that people who still notice this are usually not playing the optimisation game at all. They are still expecting systems to behave like human spaces. They expect feedback to mean something. They expect connection to be mutual. They expect disagreement to be part of understanding.

That expectation now feels out of place online, which says more about the systems than it does about the people holding it.

In a strange way, not getting it is a kind of clarity. It means you have not internalised the training. You are still operating from values rather than incentives. Most people stop questioning because the system works on them.

The ones who pause and say this is odd are usually the ones still thinking for themselves.

Is this a form of regression or digression when something or other backs away?

Is that which backs away subjective or objective ... is the "A" (initiated in Minnesota) means to this which forms connection like communion? What's this "sot" ah? Highly questionable given what we know is nothing and thus defunct ... my grandaddy told me that ... and then he left ...

"That's enough of that" said the posturing authority standing up the the supporting opposite end of the hated shaft, stick, or stake they set in the ground ... such is the nature the way poles erupt ... in places of minute sodas ... and sodium salts enter the scene ... ancient salts as classically wise? I have doubts ... like Tomas so the books continue for the entertainment of what's beyond whatever is put down ... write all you wish but there are likely still to be errs on this side ... because knowledge is deemed odd and evil. This make life sufficiently complex, that somewhere sometime without warning some thing of someone will jump ... thus the bounce in deep places ... Isn't that diabolical or devilish for those resting ... left ova?

Alas an anon it does provide continuum and thus it goes on! What's "-ide"? Isn't that a normal attachment ... post script? God flows as there is always more interpretations to simply complex iterations ... about which some chose to be illiterate ... and impulses erupt ... the emotional portion? I don't understand either of the choices! Emotional Intelligence is a mean course of etude ... Burl Ives on fast an powerful failures ... Mister In Between ... like gritty donkeys ... they settled in the west of Greece and east of Italy ... mysterious hills taht forma gambling place ... where god knows who could get a crank; no question! Why? Because the quest is too thin ... it needs some broad Ness ... like d' arc of Knight ... arises?

Isn't that an old production ?

Sounds like a stick in a hole or something in deep fecundity ... to me! Is that probable or just potential building to an explosive presentation that make no sense ... as prior desire ... needing rest and relaxation in theory? Troublesome? It comes in shaded forms ... why you cannot see into the dark! There's just nothing to see ...but ... joule see ... Joules appear!
 
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It is like respect ... some say think nothing of it and thus nothing develops into the will of the wisp and gets faint ... who'd advocate that?

Steam rolling is preferred ... great momentum goes down hill fast ... leaving higher intellect! It is just how it goes ... and such emotion is wickedly fickle as what else ... winds if only fore winds ...

I once did a presentation of the Four Points of the Compass ... the reaction was disastrous ... thus you know something isn down and something is Innuit ...

Others get fired without reason ... so get some it is just logic ... entertain the fat red guy ... cookies and milk?

What happens if you take a cookie to bed ... is there any relaxation?
 
I used to get Quora posts and threads coming up quite a bit in Google searches but don't see them as much anymore. Reddit is king now, it seems. Almost every search I do seems to be lousy with sub-Reddits in the results.
 
Clearly. I am not getting it.

Oddly enough I can not make up my mind on whether to upvote the OP or to downvote it.
 
I should setup a Question and Answer forum here. That kind of emulates things like Quora and Stackoverflow (an IT site) where people can propose answers, up (or down) vote other answers, and the original questioner can flag one as the final answer if appropriate. Never saw a need for that feature anywhere here, though.
 
Remember if you pose a question, someone will object to the subject ... just because ... no reason as emotional means are the main medium of separation of the opposed ... resulting in a vast sea of opiumism! .. a type of stunning implications!

Nothing is too make sense only when materialism leaves ... thus anti materialism in an other label; thin essence?
 
Downvotes are preferable because they create discourse.
Alright then I have changed my (y)to:mad: on the OP because the :unsure: option was not available.

Not sure about what else I have to add to the discourse given that I agree with what your opening post posited.
 
Downvotes are preferable because they create discourse.
Which is an unfortunate symptom of our times. Negativity rules, people respond more to downvotes and dislikes, and there is generally no real attempt to engage in civil discourse, just yell back and forth.
 
As I said, downvotes are preferable. Social media would rather shut you up than allow an honest discussion, so for them, downvotes are not preferable.
 
Which is why I am not on most of the so-called "social" media. YouTube is an exception but it's social element is secondary to being a media streaming service. In general, I prefer more focussed sites like forums, e.g. here, my favourite singer's fan site, my writing sites.
 
The "down thing" is needed to slow the ballooning business economy that is killing the normal populace!

If people feel they are profiting from the free lunch ... they blindly cut the entire thing's throat!

Yet still business is unhappy with business stability ... they demand balloons!
 
Social media content is rewarded for engagement. One of the ways content makers drive engagement is being inaccurate. Add a spelling mistake, misrepresent who or what is in the image, get a year or location wrong, etc. Engagement comes from people who are quick to feel superior by proclaiming the content creator is wrong. Meanwhile the content creator is laughing. It's social media for those just smart enough to remember a year or a face, but not smart enough to understand they are being played.

This sort of social media could have been about fascinating content. Instead it's bad AI images and video with purposefully inaccurate descriptions. The good stuff is difficult to find. The crap is pushed at you instead.
 
YouTube is an exception but it's social element is secondary to being a media streaming service.
That said, comments and engagement in general (likes, replies and shares) signal to YouTube's algorithm that the
video content is valuable leading to more recommendations, higher views, longer watch times.

I often find myself letting the the Ads on You tube play through while I am reading the comments.
 
Then there is the entertainment of politics ... for the folks that have been led to believe the tree of knowledge is evil. It appears to be a favourable resolution of questioning ... it multiplies incarnate Ly ... thus ly ing propagation ... it is not simple to be stupid!

Dissect epic St Emo logic pathos ... metaphors for deal ... tree stems? hang onit and your dead ... base of a story about falling from a tree ... then there was that flip from the chariots of God ... what a scene ...
 
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