UMC decision regarding LGBT+ marriage and clergy

GiancarloZ

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Jae, I don't think it's proper to disrupt this discussion with memes and shallow arguments. I know you hold conservative views on this issue and your input is welcome, but let's try to keep it polite and deep.
 

BetteTheRed

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It's truly a disadvantage of cross-cultural denominations.

My crystal ball sees a schism.
 

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Also, the first thing out was a pastoral letter from their General Secretary to the LGBTQI2S+ community.
 

Jae

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Jae, I don't think it's proper to disrupt this discussion with memes and shallow arguments. I know you hold conservative views on this issue and your input is welcome, but let's try to keep it polite and deep.
The meme I posted gives an important message Karl. I stand by my having posted it. That said, I will respect your desire and will not post any others in this thread.
 

Jae

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It's truly a disadvantage of cross-cultural denominations.

My crystal ball sees a schism.
The interviewee I heard suggested the same. He feels it's time for the left and the right of the denomination to make peace by separating.
 

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Yes, I see a schism in their future, too, which saddens me. I used to be a UM, part of my heart still is UM, and that part is breaking.

Jae, your interviewee came from an organization called the Institute for Religion and Democracy, a far-right wing "think" tank, devoted to bring the American churches back to the 1920's or so, before civil rights, before women clergy, before pretty much any modern thought whatsoever. He's hardly representative of mainstream thought. You really need to check your sources better.
 

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Yes, I see a schism in their future, too, which saddens me. I used to be a UM, part of my heart still is UM, and that part is breaking.
Sorry to hear that Redbaron. How else though can they stop the strife within.

Redbaron said:
Jae, your interviewee came from an organization called the Institute for Religion and Democracy, a far-right wing "think" tank, devoted to bring the American churches back to the 1920's or so, before civil rights, before women clergy, before pretty much any modern thought whatsoever. He's hardly representative of mainstream thought. You really need to check your sources better.
Hmm... I was going to reply to this but you've already derailed Karl's thread enough by making such claims.
 
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Redbaron

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You may not have used the word, the point still stands. He does not represent the majority.
And you still need to check your sources better.
 

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The vote was fairly close, from what I understand. It was heartbreaking to so many people and certainly a retrograde step when considering today's social context. I agree with Bette - wondering if the division occurred across cultural lines - as has been discussed for other church issues with cross-continent representation.
 

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You may not have used the word, the point still stands. He does not represent the majority.
And you still need to check your sources better.
I don't know what word you're talking about.

In answer to @Carolla - yes, apparently America largely voted differently than did Africa. Another reason a split may occur in the near future.
 

Redbaron

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I don't know what word you're talking about.

In answer to @Carolla - yes, apparently America largely voted differently than did Africa. Another reason a split may occur in the near future.
It was in your previous post before you edited it out.
 

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It'll be heartrending to watch it happen. At least I have the luxury of watching it happen from outside. I still have a number of friends and colleagues in the UMC (mostly fellow seminary classmates) who are really having a rough time of it. I feel for them, and for the congregations they serve.
 

GiancarloZ

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It'll be heartrending to wat h it happen. At least I have the luxury of watching it happen from outside. I still have a number of friends and collegues in the UMC (mostly fellow seminary classmates) who are really having a rough time of it. I feel for them, and for the congregations they serve.
I feel for you and your friends, Redbaron.
I hope they and all the affirming congregations can find a good place.
 

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The mainline, liberal, Protestant UMC defeated the LGBTQ agenda and affirmed the biblical vision for marriage and sexuality. This demands our applause.

The UMC's about 50 years old. Identified with liberal Protestantism, the UMC also includes a representation of classical, evangelical Methodists committed to traditional mission.

Those conservative members are calling the UMC back to evangelism. While liberalism has hit most mainline denominations, the UMC's evangelicals promote orthodox theology, and stand opposed to moral laxity.
 

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It's truly a disadvantage of cross-cultural denominations.

My crystal ball sees a schism.
Schism flies ... it's light crap ... like a metaphor parable that nun wished to know ... thus that sense of creep!
 

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Jae stated: "Sorry to hear that Redbaron. How else though can they stop the strife within."

Abort the situation ... and thus pure passion dies to get a half cup ... wholly gray'll! A drink will stop eM! Caesar ...
 
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