when a homily makes the news....

[Mystic]

Jesus teaches His followers to obey the Law of Roman taxation despite the fact that this law is unjust.
Paul teaches that those who violate state law should be punished, even though that law is Roman.
There is no biblical grounds for the right to violate national law. So the biblical teaching on mercy is irrelevant to this question.

 

[jimkenney12]

Jesus teaches His followers to obey the Law of Roman taxation despite the fact that this law is unjust.
Paul teaches that those who violate state law should be punished, even though that law is Roman.
There is no biblical grounds for the right to violate national law. So the biblical teaching on mercy is irrelevant to this question.

How was the Roman law unjust? Mercy is never irrelevant. It was and is against the commandments to worship anything or anyone other than God. Did Roman law supercede this law when it required inhabitants of the Roman Empire to worship the emperor?

 

[Luce NDs]

Jesus teaches His followers to obey the Law of Roman taxation despite the fact that this law is unjust.
Paul teaches that those who violate state law should be punished, even though that law is Roman.
There is no biblical grounds for the right to violate national law. So the biblical teaching on mercy is irrelevant to this question.

It's appalling what Christians do when confined to a box ... then to fall off it as if a wooden horse ...

 

[Luce NDs]

How was the Roman law unjust? Mercy is never irrelevant. It was and is against the commandments to worship anything or anyone other than God. Did Roman law supercede this law when it required inhabitants of the Roman Empire to worship the emperor?

A god of everything ... in the physical world that'd be kind of out there beyond the absolute ... thus abstraction! That is a word that is very expansive ...

 

[Mystic]

How was the Roman law unjust?

Duh, it was unjust for Pompey to conquer Palestine and for the Romans then to heavily tax the vanquished Jews.

 

[Luce NDs]

Duh, it was unjust for Pompey to conquer Palestine and for the Romans then to heavily tax the vanquished Jews.

Yet even today we follow this process if only in the ultimate search for power against the humble and gentile side ... thus losers as Luce 'd; freed dead pan?

Flat out hammered into a curve ... circles are said to be necessary ... .. if only to resist the line ... Lord Nelson's opposition? Yeti functioned ...

 

[Waterfall]

Jesus teaches His followers to obey the Law of Roman taxation despite the fact that this law is unjust.
Paul teaches that those who violate state law should be punished, even though that law is Roman.
There is no biblical grounds for the right to violate national law. So the biblical teaching on mercy is irrelevant to this question.

Perhaps the fact that Augustus(was a pretty good emperor and Tiberius somewhat), influenced Jesus thinking?

 

[Jaebius]

I'm with you on this, just for different reasons. And I think most atheists stand with your subset of Christians. And that's what it's come to: A majority of the nones standing with a minority of the Christians.

Can certainly agree with you on that so far as as the US is concerned. Worldwide, I think it'll be a majority of the nones standing with a majority of the Christians and a healthy percentage of other folks too. It's fascinating and sorrowful for me to be watching the latest developments occuring from the other side of the planet

 

[Jaebius]

Jesus teaches His followers to obey the Law of Roman taxation despite the fact that this law is unjust.
Paul teaches that those who violate state law should be punished, even though that law is Roman.
There is no biblical grounds for the right to violate national law. So the biblical teaching on mercy is irrelevant to this question.

Jesus' whole life was about having and showing real, genuine love, compassion and mercy on people.

He gave his disciples, and thus us in turn the "great commission" which is all about having compassion and mercy on people.

As he was about to die on the cross he asked his Father not to get back at the people who'd put him there but to forgive them. That too is having compassion and being merciful. C'mon, man

 

[jimkenney12]

Duh, it was unjust for Pompey to conquer Palestine and for the Romans then to heavily tax the vanquished Jews.

The Romans conquered the Greek overlords of the Jews. Who decides what is unjust? Duh. Your comments seem contradictory.

 

[Mystic]

The Romans conquered the Greek overlords of the Jews. Who decides what is unjust? Duh. Your comments seem contradictory.

 

[Mystic]

Surely you don't support the Roman conquest of Palestine. Yet Jesus, one of the vanquished Jews, nevertheless supports obedience to the heavy tax imposed b y the Romans. So illegals must obey US laws or pay the consequences, even if those laws are unjest--which they are not. If the US majority wished to change those laws in favor of illegal aliens, I would support that, too.

 

[Jaebius]

Yet Jesus, one of the vanquished Jews, nevertheless supports obedience to the heavy tax imposed b y the Romans.

The funny thing is, I've always believed that what Jesus was really telling his disciples was, 'Don't get caught up in earthly concerns like money. Get your priorities straight. Seek first the Kingdom of God.'

 

[Mystic]

The funny thing is, I've always believed that what Jesus was really telling his disciples was, 'Don't get caught up in earthly concerns like money. Get your priorities straight. Seek first the Kingdom of God.'

Translation: Obey the law, even if you disagree with it. So Jesus would side with Trump's enforcement of the law against illegals.

 

[jimkenney12]

Translation: Obey the law, even if you disagree with it. So Jesus would side with Trump's enforcement of the law against illegals.

Like I posted earlier, you worship a Jesus made in your image.

 

[Jaebius]

Translation: Obey the law, even if you disagree with it. So Jesus would side with Trump's enforcement of the law against illegals.

You enjoy trying to put my words in my mouth. I've noticed that on more than one occasion. Did you treat your students and your congregation in the same way?

 

[Mystic]

as a former college logic teaching Fellow, merely draw the logical inference from your words.

 

[Jaebius]

as a former college logic teaching Fellow, merely draw the logical inference from your words.

Imperfectly

 

[CatMensch]

Your reasoning is deficient IMO.
It doesn't matter that most aren't criminals? Well it should.

I meant that illegal immigration is a conduit for criminals. One more child trafficker or random serial killer is too many. An imperfect immigration and refugee process is better than a wide open door.

 

[jimkenney12]

Most traffickers are citizens. I do not remember hearing about any serial killers who were not citizens.