Is Jesus Really Coming Again?
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In 2 Peter 3:1-7, Peter warns of scoffers in the last days. Is this a truth you believe?
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And in 2 Peter 8-9, Peter tells us that delay is part of God's plan.
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Peter 3:1-7 - New International Version
The Day of the Lord - Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles...
And in 2 Peter 8-9, Peter tells us that delay is part of God's plan.
Yes. But metaphorically. A coming together of humanity - (unfortunately) through a series of tragic circumstances we caused ourselves - will be the coming together of the body of Christ. We do seem to come together in times of tragedy...we do have the potential help one another - however, we are so divided over covid, the environment, racism and systemic inequality, etc - and still beholden to money - making that more difficult. Once we come together and unite as human beings, he will have already returned. He is within us and among us - in our hearts - and we have work to do. That's what I believe. It won't be some guy showing up to be a hero. That's why people get impatient. They want to wait for a hero, hence the impatience - when it is we who have to recognize Christ within human beings, within one another, and act accordingly. I think it's going to take awhile yet.
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When living in the dark nature of the here and now as a place where light intelligence (transferable) is rare ... can there be light at the end of it?
Some say such OBI's in the head are abstract ... that is to say imaginary as the denied mind! Some don't get it as something odd ...
Some say such OBI's in the head are abstract ... that is to say imaginary as the denied mind! Some don't get it as something odd ...
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Quote from OP ------In 2 Peter 3:3, Peter warns of scoffers in the last days. ---Is this a truth you believe?
This is verses 3and 4 -------3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised?
What does the word scoffers refer to here ------that is the first thing to know -----the Greek word for scoffers here ----
Strong's Concordance
empaiktés: a mocker, i.e. by impl. a false teacher
I say ----Is it truth that there are false teachers in the world today who teach other doctrine than what God teaching in His Word -----
So if we don't believe there are false teachers today ---then we won't believe that Jesus is coming back ----
You either believe Jesus was the Son Of God and He was crucified --buried and rose again from the dead --or you don't -----there is no inbetween ----
So believing if Jesus will come again like He says He will-- all depends on if you believe what Peter and Jude are saying here in the verses posted -----
Jude give a good description of the scoffers in the last days -------
18 They used to say to you, “In the last days there will be scoffers, following after their own ungodly passions.”
19 These are the ones who are [agitators] causing divisions—worldly-minded [secular, unspiritual, carnal, merely sensual—unsaved], devoid of the Spirit.
From OP ----
Is Jesus really coming again?
Does it matter to you?
According to Jesus own words ----Yes He is coming back ----Read Revelations 19:15-16 ---describes this event ----
New Living Translation
From his mouth came a sharp sword to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod. He will release the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty, like juice flowing from a winepress. 16 On his robe at his thigh[a] was written this title: King of all kings and Lord of all lords.
2nd Question --does it matter ----Yes it does -----if this does not happen then God is a liar and the Christ-ianity doesn't exist ---
This is verses 3and 4 -------3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised?
What does the word scoffers refer to here ------that is the first thing to know -----the Greek word for scoffers here ----
Strong's Concordance
empaiktés: a mocker, i.e. by impl. a false teacher
I say ----Is it truth that there are false teachers in the world today who teach other doctrine than what God teaching in His Word -----
So if we don't believe there are false teachers today ---then we won't believe that Jesus is coming back ----
You either believe Jesus was the Son Of God and He was crucified --buried and rose again from the dead --or you don't -----there is no inbetween ----
So believing if Jesus will come again like He says He will-- all depends on if you believe what Peter and Jude are saying here in the verses posted -----
Jude give a good description of the scoffers in the last days -------
Jude 17-19 (AMP)
Keep Yourselves in the Love of God
17 But as for you, beloved, remember the [prophetic] words spoken by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ.18 They used to say to you, “In the last days there will be scoffers, following after their own ungodly passions.”
19 These are the ones who are [agitators] causing divisions—worldly-minded [secular, unspiritual, carnal, merely sensual—unsaved], devoid of the Spirit.
From OP ----
Is Jesus really coming again?
Does it matter to you?
According to Jesus own words ----Yes He is coming back ----Read Revelations 19:15-16 ---describes this event ----
New Living Translation
From his mouth came a sharp sword to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod. He will release the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty, like juice flowing from a winepress. 16 On his robe at his thigh[a] was written this title: King of all kings and Lord of all lords.
2nd Question --does it matter ----Yes it does -----if this does not happen then God is a liar and the Christ-ianity doesn't exist ---
Are scoffers a form of satyr appearing to make an ass out of physical gods when the best are a mere essence ... like salted waters ... Marah in eastern tongues! It may float some heavier stuff than fresh forms of esteem! Expect nemesis as follow up ... a contrary to the rule of fixation allowing exceptions given the flaws in physical gods ...
Then in never-never land one can justify anything and everything if you have intelligence without an ounce of caris ... old word for agape in the systems of Canon ...
Then in never-never land one can justify anything and everything if you have intelligence without an ounce of caris ... old word for agape in the systems of Canon ...
GeoFee
I am who I am becoming...
The body of Christ is made of many members, each of these manifesting some talent beneficial to the whole.
Mendalla
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Well, I am one of those who doesn't really believe that and doubts that Jesus did. The way he addresses God at times does not suggest that equivalency. A filial one, perhaps, but not One in Three.
And I thought there were a couple Gospel quotes that suggest he did know it, though those may have been interpolations or the writer reading their own theology into the story.
Jesus' return, to me mind, would be in the form of a church that embodies his teaching and values, not a literal, physical return. And, really, such a literal return would technically be the Third Coming, wouldn't it (after the Nativity and the Resurrection)?
In the end, it is the kind of thing communities believe about their great leaders to encourage and empower themselves. "Yes, he will return." We see it the legends about King Arthur returning in "Britain's hour of need" and that sort of thing.
Taking it literally largely misses the point by a country mile and leads to the kind of BS we see like people who basically do no work to help themselves or the world because "Jesus is coming soon."
Ritafee
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And Jesus is the story about one of them.
PilgrimsProgress
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It seems to me whether your faith is based on a literal or metaphorical interpretation of the Bible......
That said, metaphorical interpretations are open to differing metaphorical interpretations. Unlike literal, they are not static.
Here's my interpretation that currently answers this question.
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Jesus will not physically come again.
His message was the Kingdom of God -bases on the two commandments of love God and love neighbour.
For Jesus to come again, metaphorically, the Kingdom of God - based on love - would have to be achieved here on Earth.
So far it hasn't happened......
Thus, Jesus coming again, is a metaphor for the goal of we humans living out our lives in love - no exceptions.
That said, metaphorical interpretations are open to differing metaphorical interpretations. Unlike literal, they are not static.
Here's my interpretation that currently answers this question.
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Jesus will not physically come again.
His message was the Kingdom of God -bases on the two commandments of love God and love neighbour.
For Jesus to come again, metaphorically, the Kingdom of God - based on love - would have to be achieved here on Earth.
So far it hasn't happened......
Thus, Jesus coming again, is a metaphor for the goal of we humans living out our lives in love - no exceptions.
GeoFee
I am who I am becoming...
Jesus is the head.
GeoFee
I am who I am becoming...
I appreciate your notice of metaphor and literal, and your last line. Thanks!
Except is that what scripture says? I was under the impression that according to the Bible there will be a judgement......so supposedly there will be many that will not be saved. After all God has intervened before and didn't save everyone.
Now personally I like the thought of just becoming a people that will all love one another and suddenly the whole world will live happily ever after....but has there ever been a point in history we've even come close?
That being said, do you or anyone, think God has a plan for salvation?
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God sent His Son to shed His Blood and die on the cross -------only by and through receiving Jesus in your heart are you saved and that is for us in the here and now -----there will be no second chance to be saved when you die -----Scripture is clear on that ----you die once and judgement comes -----God is giving people all the chances here to accept His Son ------that is why He is bringing the 7 year Tribulation on this earth before He destroys it ----to give people who don't believe the chance to believe -----and believe me you don't want to be here for the 7 year Tribulation ----the Tribulation is divided into 2 parts ----each being 3 and one half years -----many people will accept Jesus during these times but some will still not believe --after the tribulation period ----Jesus comes back for the battle of Armageddon and this earth is destroyed -----this is all laid out in Revelation ----
Hebrews 9:27
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Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
Hebrews 9:27
New International Version
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
BetteTheRed
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And you "know" all of this because of a literal reading of a sort of literature (apocalyptic), never meant to be taken literally. *sigh* What are we going to do about your stuck-ness, unsafe?
BetteTheRed
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I think a lot of our need to answer these questions lies in our need that "God", however one envisions that concept, be "fair".
It was drilled into me from a very early age that "fairness" wasn't something that one could expect from the Universe. The way your life goes has a lot less to do with what happens to you than how you react to circumstances. You can't choose fate. You can moderate your reactions.
So, no, I don't think that a physical person is going to return to earth a la the Revelations. And I don't find apocalyptic musings particularly useful in my spiritual life. But I'm intrigued by PP's position that
After quite a few decades on earth, I think that the percentage of my living is "in love" might be marginally higher than in my youth. But it's marginal, lol. I think I'd need a few lifetimes to get anywhere near "good" at this.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
Judgement comes one day at a time and you die all the live long day.
Jesus has not left the building ... and the kingdom is always at hand.
BetteTheRed
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Metaphorically, I agree with you... I like the word "kin-dom" better, though.