"The Social Dilemma" documentary

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So - watched this the other night! Pretty interesting to examine more of the unintended consequences that have grown out of social networking apps. Yes - some will dispute use of 'unintended' but I think that based on the original intent of some of the apps. And the irony doesn't escape me that here we are online, discussing this! Let's chat.



(and just as an aside - one of the people interviewed sure made me think of Inanna :-) )
 
The personalization of 'news' and info - we are losing (have lost?) Shared Reality ...

 
I watched this the other night and I though it was telling that the "creators" don't allow their own children to use these devices and apps.
 
I watched this the other night and I though it was telling that the "creators" don't allow their own children to use these devices and apps.
That's often been the case in recent years when I've heard interviews. Insiders have a different view, right?

I found it interesting how the google search pulls up suggestions not so much based on overall usage, but on your own personal past searches. So once you go down a rabbit hole - it draws you deeper and deeper without any balancing information being presented.
 
Yes, just watched it last night. It’s convincing the way social media influences opinion and action. Thus seen in the big mix of anti covid demonstrators with neo nazis , anti vaccers, and Reichsbuerger in Germany.
Presently, they have discovered nazi chat groups with a significant amount of police officers participating in Germany.
 
I'm not surprised by this. I went on Facebook for a few days, maybe less, in 2007, in it's early days. I didn't feel good about it. My gut said "This isn't good in the long-run." And it was right. I denied opportunity after opportunity to join. I missed socially connecting with people and getting all the latest gossip on what old friends were up to, because I felt being connected through FB was worse. This is the only social media I use and has been for years. I watch YouTube shows - but don't sign in. I suppose I still use it, though. I deliberately haven't been clicking the recommendations for a few years now, also, after finding out that YouTube algorithms are being swayed to right wing and far right content.

It'll be interesting to follow what Tristan and the others are doing to change how the Internet works. Computer tech is not in my wheelhouse.


All that said...Netflix tells me the latest season of the Good Place is out. Gotta go! :p:whistle:
 
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What I have to say about FB is how easy it makes connecting, in real time, to family. I have a son on SSI, another in Australia, my daughter is thankfully local, and a large extended family in the U.K. We use FB to connect, not exclusively, but as another tool in our toolbox of trying to stay connected. Time zones are relationship-screwers-uppers...
 
I used to go on an interior design app that was more of a fun creative tool than a game. I think their problem (in the competitive online market) was that it was free to play and the options for what spaces one could design were almost unlimited. Then they brought in a subscription fee for an "upgraded" version. I think I tried it for one month but wasn't enthused about the value of a regular subscription - it was about $5 a month I think. Not worth it for something I'll never actually do anything real with - I will never be designing a real high end room or buying high end furniture to put in it - and no real art with any value was being created unless someone else used my design for a real room (which is fine with me if I gave someone a good idea. It was a sharing community) - it was just fun for me.

When I found it I was going through a really hard time and it was creative, and almost meditative. I created spaces I wanted to be in, that felt comfortable or cheerful or interesting, some designs expressed my mood - and that helped me - if that makes sense.Then they went under. I miss that "game". There was no real competition just interest and support - supportive comments by other users, tips on what one could do or how to do it. People would share their techniques and room templates. Plus, real designers got free advertising for their furniture and accessories - one could use a real photo of an empty room and plan a real design with virtual items they could inquire about where to buy or order in real life if they wanted to. It was a tool that was community oriented and fun and, originally, cost no money - and served a marketing purpose just for designers. A win-win. But, then, not so lucrative for the app company.

I went looking for something similar because I really enjoyed that app - now there's an actual game. I suspect it might be the same company rebranded because stylistically it's similar and the designers of the furniture are familiar names - but this one involves challenges and virtual prizes and in-game purchases of items needed to complete challenges (or watch ads to collect virtual, non-redeemable for cash, money). For example they might say you need four antique items and a leather couch by xyz designer, to complete the challenge - if you haven't collected enough virtual currency to buy it and don't have it in your inventory - they can nickel and dime you (not to death - there are limits they put on it and you can play for free by watching ads to collect virtual currency). It's addictive but definitely not as creative. They give you the template you're to work from. The good thing is there's a daily limit on how many challenges one can enter. They only put out so many - incrementally- so you can't play all day even if you wanted to.

There's an imitation of the original app I liked - but the items are not as nice and the tools (cropping, rotating, moving items back to front like placing a floor lamp behind a couch or a book on a table, etc, and in the right perspective) are not as good or as available.
 
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Mainly what that CBC article says is that this is not new information. We have known his all along, it is just being sensationalized in the documentary

havent seen show so have no impression myself
 
I read your CBC article @Lastpointe. I think if you ask tech insiders or people who study or teach about tech - no this is not news. Seems to me that most of us understand there is some level of retail type advertising algorithm being employed to pay for the platforms by reaching users & getting them to spend money. That shouldn't be surprising - look at all the ads on TV & some radio stations.

I was more surprised to hear the part about how AI is used to influence other opinions and behaviours - for example by popping up certain info related to your prior choices & 'interests' when you use a search engine. It might be an interesting experiment here for some of us who we know have disparate views on some subjects to enter the same word or phrase into google search & then post the results here - see how similar or different our results are. Not sure what we might search ... will have to ponder that. And I'm not entire sure it's even possible to copy what shows up on that google list - I tried it before & I didn't work for me.
 
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