TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

[Lastpointe]

I am sincerely puzzled by what the photo op with a very awkwardly held bible was to indicate?
it reminds me of those pictures where you are asked to supply a caption

what did he intend. I am the nimrod with the Bible?

 

[Lastpointe]

And oddly yesterday, Bush released a very compassionate statement. For someone who was also tone deaf at times, though spot on at others, at least it was what a president should say

 

[Luce NDs]

In the news this morning a comment on bull pulpits ... that is waving a strong book about without the ability to open and read intuit!

The POTUS has bragged that he doesn't read ... so why wave a bible about without knowing ... the reason therein?

It's deep ...

 

[Redbaron]

revsdd ------you said ---- But we are surely called to judge their actions and decide whether they are or are not sincere in their expressions of faith.

With all do respect I say -----Well I agree with this statement ---it is for Righteous Judgment from one Born again believer to another ------A brother or sister in Christ -----but then we are to be careful how we Judge as well --we are to judge wisely and with Love and gentleness so as not to condemn ---so we don't sin ourselves ----


Is Donald Trump a born again Christian -----????????? you might know that revsdd --I don't ----

here is what this says ----

Galatians 6 (GW)
Help Carry Each Other’s Burdens

6 Brothers and sisters, if a person gets trapped by wrongdoing, those of you who are spiritual should help that person turn away from doing wrong.
Do it in a gentle way. At the same time watch yourself so that you also are not tempted.

2 Help carry each other’s burdens. In this way you will follow Christ’s teachings.

3 So if any one of you thinks you’re important when you’re really not, you’re only fooling yourself.

4 Each of you must examine your own actions. Then you can be proud of your own accomplishments without comparing yourself to others. 5 Assume your own responsibility.


Also ----Paul says ----Christians should have no business judging unbelievers -----verse 12 ---13 below

I say ------why would we ---their behaviour is different than what Believers should be ------the Faith of a non believer is different from a Believer -----or it should be in my view -----

1 Corinthians 5 (GW)
How to Treat Christians Who Live Like Non-Christians

. 11 Now, what I meant was that you should not associate with people who call themselves brothers or sisters in the Christian faith but live in sexual sin, are greedy, worship false gods, use abusive language, get drunk, or are dishonest. Don’t eat with such people.

12 After all, do I have any business judging those who are outside the Christian faith?
Isn’t it your business to judge those who are inside?

13 God will judge those who are outside. Remove that wicked man from among you.


And as far as the scripture on Matthew 7 is talking about preachers who preach God's word ----as far as I know Trump doesn't preach to others God's word ------Is Trump a Preacher ? --------


Greek word for False Prophet

Strong's Concordance
pseudoprophétés: a false prophet

Definition: a false prophet
Usage: a false prophet; one who in God's name teaches what is false.



My opinion here -- there are many --many False Prophets teaching today -----

So revsdd --if you feel it is OK to judge Trump's Faith deeds --then that is your right to do so ------as I said we have a choice to be on the side of the divide we choose -----


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Some words from the Rev. Michael Coren, from the Macleans article:

I have no window into Donald Trump’s soul but it’s extraordinarily difficult to regard him as a Christian judging by his personal as well as public statements and actions. This latest circus, however, surely closes the theological door on any doubts or ambiguity. He made no attempt to pray, for the nation, for the Floyd family, for anyone or anything; he appeared to hold the Bible upside down, and nor was it his own but one provided for the scene; and I’ve seen more piety and humility in a dockside pub. Even Trump’s staff and colleagues seemed awkward and embarrassed by the whole thing, and the media response was one of furious incredulity.

 

[Lastpointe]

I like his answer to is that your bible. It’s a bible he said. Duh

 

[unsafe]

Redbaron ----your saying that Trump isn't Born Again ------- that is fine

My view
So I say that if Trump is not Born Again then he acting like an unbeliever would in this deranged world we live in and his behaviour is no different than other unbelievers who mock the Bible and condone their own theology --So he would not be alone in his actions ------He will be judged by God in his end ------we have no control over what Trump does ------

My view is the Bible contains God's word ---the word became flesh -----so Trump holding up the Bible COULD MEAN --Notice ---Could Mean ---HEY YOU PEOPLE ----God is here in this word and we need to read His word that will bring Judgment and peace His way not our way ------What is That ---Love your enemy -----

Our Police are corrupt ---Our Government is corrupt ----our Legal system is corrupt and unfair ---it protects the suspect not the victim ----and our Religions are corrupt ------you can't blame trump for that -----the system is broken and it was broken long before Trump became president ----there has been riots many times in the US of A and there will continue to be chaos and uproar there as there is in most places -----the US of A thinks they are the power house and might of all the Nations in this world ------Pride ---Arograrnce and --Greed are the order of the day -----

God will use Trump if He wants to or whoever and whomever He wants to execute His Plan and no Human Can Stop it ------So God ---COULD Be Using Trump is what I am saying and there are many who Do think God is Using Trump to bring about what He wants ------ So you and others can think and trash and bash all you want to---- but that will not Stop God from using who or whoever He wants to do His will if He wants to ------God used unbelievers and believers to bring about His Will in His word ---Just because we don't understand what is happening doesn't mean God is not in this mix -------

I prefer not to Judge Trump ---I don't have to agree with what he says or does but I don't have to trash and bash him -----as I believe that God will have the right outcome in the end for what He wants for this world -----that is my belief -----which is different from your and others -----and that is OK by me ------

Here is a phrase Jesus used ------

JOHN 8:7

KJ21
So when they continued asking Him, He lifted Himself up and said unto them, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”


So can anyone of us cast the stone--- sure we can ---but we can't do it with our perfect selves --we do it as Sinners judging other sinners -----which says we are just as bad as Trump -------and if that floats our boat then so be it ------

Personally ---my boat would sink with the weight of all the bad energy and bad emotions that comes from letting anger and frustration and anxiety overwhelme my boat -----I like my peace to much to allow someone to dominate my emotions and disturb my inner peace ------Just saying -----

 

[Redbaron]

Unsafe, if you prefer to avert your eyes from obvious wrongdoing in high places, I suppose that's your choice. Remember, though, that turning your eyes away does NOT make evil disappear. It only encourages more evil, growing sure in the belief that no one will dare call it to account, for the sake of some alleged 'peace with God.' It doesn't work that way.

We may not be of the world, but we are IN the world, for a purpose. That purpose is NOT to excuse, whitewash, or ignore wrongdoing for the sake of 'Peace'. If you read the Gospel accounts carefully, you will note that Jesus himself had some rather harsh things to say about both the political and spiritual leaders of his day. He most certainly spoke out against oppression and hypocrisy. For a follower of Christ to remain silent to avoid "judgement" is simply abandoning the path Jesus trod. And still treads.

 

[unsafe]

my view
So you think Redbaron that by you and others trashing and bashing and gang up on Trump that your bring peace and harmony to this world just by seeing it and saying it ----- I guess If that floats your boat then it is good for you to keep doing -doesn't effect me in any way -----

You can;t stop evil ---no human being can ---we humans brought evil into this world in the first place and Jesus is coming back to take evil out and fix our mess ---Your not going to divert evil or stop evil in this world as Evil is the god of this world right now ----

If we humans think you can --in my opinion we are being deceived ------all we can do is make a decision to either trash and bash people or not to ----all up to us and what we decide to do ------which side of the divide one wants to be on ------ just saying

Jesus said harsh things to the Pharisees who were given the task by God to follow His laws and they refused to do so ---they were the False Prophets of Jesus times following what they wanted ----it was righteous Judgment -----Christians are to Judge other Christians behaviour and that is Biblical -----

I say ------As far as Political involvement for Jesus goes ------this is from

Did Jesus Get Involved in the Contemporary Politics in Israel?
Did Jesus Get Involved in the Contemporary Politics in Israel?

Jesus was the promised Messiah, the Christ. He had the right to rule over the entire nation of Israel. However, when we look at the public ministry of Jesus, we find that he avoided any involvement in the current political issues of his day.

Jesus Did Not Speak Out On Current Political Issures
There is nothing recorded in the New Testament about Jesus Christ speaking out against any of the political issues of His day. Nothing in His teachings gives even the slightest hint that He had any political involvement.

I say
So I have no idea where you get this comment from ----maybe you can give me a scripture that will enlighten me -----what political leaders Jesus had harsh words for ------

you said ----- If you read the Gospel accounts carefully, you will note that Jesus himself had some rather harsh things to say about both the political and spiritual leaders of his day

 

[Lastpointe]

I don’t think looking at trump and his unfitness for office is bringing peace and harmony to the world. Not at all and isn’t really the point

the point of highlighting his faults is to inform the USA population and hopefully have a different result in november

interesting to me is that white evangelicals still back trump is a big way. They can over look everything negative about him. Ei5er because they agree with him or because it doesn’t matter. He gave them a conservative Supreme Court and lower courts too. So they got what they wanted for him

 

[Northwind]

I'm appreciating your posts @unsafe They are making me think. It sounds like you're saying we need to just stop and let god handle it. Trust god.

Sadly, that's what many good Christian folks and churches said in Germany in the 30's. Look how it turned out for them.

We do need to speak out against evil in our own way. Some are marching. Some are talking to their neighbours. Some are voting or taking quiet action. If we do nothing, evil persists.

God gave us all talents and skills. We have brains to think and feet to act. Let's use them.

 

[Redbaron]

Jesus called Herod a fox (Luke 13:32) Hardly a term of endearment. Actually, in a way, 'trashing and bashing' Herod.
Jesus cited Pharisees for their hypocrisy. (Luke 12:2) Not exactly words of comfort and cheer for them.
Jesus pronounces woes on those who oppress and dominate unjustly (Luke 6: 24-26).
Jesus openly mocked Roman rulers, their parades of pride, their military might. That would be the Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem.

Please don't try to deny that Jesus got involved in both politics and religion. The record clearly shows he did.

By the way, there is a difference between calling attention to Trump's evils, and 'trashing and bashing' him. 'Trashing and bashing' would be things like slighting references to Trump's dead ferret hairdo, or hanging insulting nicknames like 'Cadet Bone Spurs' on him. What is going on here is shining a light on Trump's actual words and actual deeds. In the light of day, in the light of the Gospel, his words and deeds don't look so good. Period.

 

[Lastpointe]

Do we think that trump is actually feeding the racial discord to appeal to his base and to keep the conversation away fro economic downturn and huge covid deaths? Is it all deliberate?

the photo op was because people teased him about being in a bunker. That is strange. The secret service is charged with protecting him. If they say sir it’s into the bunker for you, then it is. Not exactly a big issue. Except for someone as thin skinned as trump

a man child.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Nothing in His teachings gives even the slightest hint that He had any political involvement.

Perhaps not in his recorded teachings, although Redbaron gives some examples above.

However, his actions, particularly the manner of his death give proof positive that Jesus had lots of political involvement. Jesus was subjected to the death penalty/capital punishment by the State of Rome. States do not execute people for having the wrong theological ideas, but having the wrong political ideas. Jesus' entrance into Jerusalem by the 'other gate' the week before he was executed, in contrast to the procession of Roman might through the main gates, was not a religious statement, but a political one.

 

[unsafe]

Nothwind ----I appreciate your words here ----- I'm appreciating your posts @unsafe They are making me think.

I am learning as I go just how to respond better to others trying to not be so aggressive with my answers as I have been in the passed ---so I appreciate your statement here ---Thanks -----

You said --- We do need to speak out against evil in our own way. Some are marching. Some are talking to their neighbours. Some are voting or taking quiet action. If we do nothing, evil persists.

My view
And ---I hear what you are saying here and I agree that voices against evil is not a bad thing ---but it is how we do that that matters in my view ------Evil will always persist in human action ---- speaking against evil will not take evil from this earth ----------what the officers did to Floyd is Evil ----the Protesters that are setting fires and looting is evil in action ------ this virus that was let loose by a human or animal or whatever is unseen evil --- no human can stop evil ----Satan is evil and unfortunately Satan is the god of this world ----Evil will exist until jESUS fixes what We let loose in this world ------

So a peaceful protest is not evil --it is peaceful but when aggressive words or behaviour breaks out it is no longer peaceful and becomes evil ----

it is no different with doing it with a person who we do not know personally and only surmise what we perceive to be wrong in what they are doing without knowing the real facts of the actions taken ---

i don't believe Trump is any Saint ---but I wouldn't say that he is an evil person either -----I don't know him personally so how can pass judgment on him ------I may not like what he does but as a Christian I am called by God to Love my Neighbour ---and Trump is my neighbour even thought I don't condone some of his actions ---

We are all sinners and imperfect and Trump is no different than that ------and neither was Oboma or any other President ------that is how I see it -----

So Like I said -----it depends on what side of the divide you want to be on ---there is only 2 sides ---positive or negative ---God or this world ----do we gang up on a person and trash and bash them cause in our mind they are evil and doing wrong and there fore we have the right to deal with our anger and frustration in our own evil and wrong way -----

We decide --we have free choice ----our Conscience will let us know ------

 

[unsafe]

Redbaron ----this is your scripture you say Jesus had harsh words for Herod ------

Luke 13:31-35 (NIV)
Jesus’ Sorrow for Jerusalem
31 At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.”

32 He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ 33 In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!

I say
Fox here means Crafty ---hardly a harsh word or trashing and bashing there Redbaron ------ -nothing like what is being said about Trump here ----LOL

nice try thought -----

 

[revsdd]

I am sincerely puzzled by what the photo op with a very awkwardly held bible was to indicate?
it reminds me of those pictures where you are asked to supply a caption

what did he intend. I am the nimrod with the Bible?

It's red meat for his evangelical followers. Trump braving the evil and godless protests (never mind that the protesters including the clergy from that church had been tear gassed out of the way and Trump was being protected by a coalition of troops, police and secret service agents - it was brave - OK! He was being brave! Just accept that!) Trump with the Bible. Trump holding the Bible. A church behind him. Christian values! Ignore his lifestyle. That's what Trump stands for. Christian values! Just wait for it to be plastered on to memes spread by his cult with the heavenly glow around Trump's head and the American flag waving behind him (maybe him cuddling or caressing the edge of it or wrapping it around himself) and a cross hovering and maybe an angelic looking Jesus somewhere over him looking down on him saying "This is my Chosen." Just wait for that. It'll bring tears to your eyes.

 

[Lastpointe]

Lol

 

[Waterfall]

Redbaron ----this is your scripture you say Jesus had harsh words for Herod ------

Luke 13:31-35 (NIV)
Jesus’ Sorrow for Jerusalem
31 At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.”

32 He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ 33 In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!

I say
Fox here means Crafty ---hardly a harsh word or trashing and bashing there Redbaron ------ -nothing like what is being said about Trump here ----LOL

nice try thought -----

Lets just try and imagine Moses just sitting around and laughing the Pharoah off. God may have sent the plagues in this story but it was Moses that spoke out directly to Pharoah and also preparing himself to act and lead.....the final straw for the pharoah was a pandemic that killed all the eldest sons including his own. Today we are losing mostly the elderly and given a clear example who we are to assist with their freedom through videos of murders ....the stage has been set...a harsh lesson given. We are not to sit back and be idle IMO. God has acted, now its our time to notice. Our eyes are opened, will we now see what God is asking of us? We are to speak out, not just against Trump but any leader from any country that refuses to see or stop the pain of people suffering.

 

[Redbaron]

Redbaron ----this is your scripture you say Jesus had harsh words for Herod ------

Luke 13:31-35 (NIV)
Jesus’ Sorrow for Jerusalem
31 At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.”

32 He replied, “Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ 33 In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!

I say
Fox here means Crafty ---hardly a harsh word or trashing and bashing there Redbaron ------ -nothing like what is being said about Trump here ----LOL

nice try thought -----

A fox was a scavenger, eating carcasses of animals killed by others. It was a dirty animal, and a dirty word. Definitely a nasty insult, not a 'cutesy' word. Any reputable study bible would tell you that.

 

[unsafe]

Redbaron ---you said ---- A fox was a scavenger, eating carcasses of animals killed by others.

Yes maybe so --that is our version of it ---Jesus has a different version of it using it as a Metaphor in that Scripture -----



STRONGS NT 258: ἀλώπηξ
alópéx: a fox

ἀλώπηξ, (εκος, ἡ, a fox: Metaphorically, crafty man: Luke 13:32;