MAID Concerns - How Will Our Politicians Respond?

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Suicide is legal in Canada; does it make sense to have serious punishment for helping those who are committing a legal act?

Ethics, Euthanasia & Canadian Law :: Evelyn Martens

a website to discuss ethical and legal questions related to the issues of assisted suicide and euthanasia, in particular as it pertains to Canadian law
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Ritafee said:
And ... another fact is hardly anyone in Canada lives or dies naturally these days.
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As I think about this I wonder. What about all the sometimes extreme measures taken to keep people alive?

While there is most definitely a place for life saving measures, are there times when they are inappropriate?

This may be a topic for another thread.
 
Actually, I guess my comment above does fit here, at least in part.

Some MAID events may actually be allowing the person to die more naturally. I think there's a reluctance (understandable) to remove extreme life saving measures. In fact, wasn't there a public case (Sue Rodriguez?) of someone asking for this?
 
One can give instructions to their family and doctor that you refuse life support. I know people who have done this successfully. My brother's wife was adamant that he should not be put on llife support when in ICU in the UK. He had made his intention clear. The docto rrespected that.
 
This is the government of Canada's website for MAID and as you can see within the first paragraph, there is an online consultation for the general public and stakeholders, to share their views until January 27th, 2020. FYI

Medical assistance in dying - Canada.ca

About medical assistance in dying and the new legislation.
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca
 
Waterfall said:
This is the government of Canada's website for MAID and as you can see within the first paragraph, there is an online consultation for the general public and stakeholders, to share their views until January 27th, 2020. FYI

Medical assistance in dying - Canada.ca

About medical assistance in dying and the new legislation.
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca
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Yes, this is why we revived this thread. The questionnaire is looking at MAID beyond the factor of “ death in reasonable future”, which kimmio is arguing against because auf the term” disability” in it.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
And most people in the world would've died as children if not for discovered (including natural discoveries) and invented interventions. If no one had learned how to splint a broken bone or rinse a wound with clean water to treat infection at the most basic level we'd still be apes.
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Seriously?

Is it is only when killing is a kindness that you object to it?

Is it really credible that a wise, omnipotent, and beneficent Being finds so much pleasure in watching the slow agonies and torturous medical intervention of an innocent person that such a being will be angry with those who shorten the ordeal?

Even with the law as it is, doctors do often shorten life in such cases in spite of the fact that in doing so they become legally liable to be prosecuted for doing so.

"Hypocrisy at all costs.”
 
I was looking closer at the legislation. There are strict guidelines on who can request MAID. Yes, disability is one factor. That alone cannot be reason to request this service. There must also be a foreseeable death, irreversible suffering and something else which I can't remember right now.

I thought I saw that there is also a requirement to provide adequate end of life care. I couldn't find it when I went back to look for it.

I am going to look at the survey when I'm on a laptop tomorrow.
 
Ritafee said:
Seriously?

Is it is only when killing is a kindness that you object to it?

Is it really credible that a wise, omnipotent, and beneficent Being finds so much pleasure in watching the slow agonies and torturous medical intervention of an innocent person that such a being will be angry with those who shorten the ordeal?

Even with the law as it is, doctors do often shorten life in such cases in spite of the fact that in doing so they become legally liable to be prosecuted for doing so.

"Hypocrisy at all costs.”
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I don't know how you read that into my comment. No, I am saying medical interventions are a part of life too and always have been.
 
Northwind said:
I was looking closer at the legislation. There are strict guidelines on who can request MAID. Yes, disability is one factor. That alone cannot be reason to request this service. There must also be a foreseeable death, irreversible suffering and something else which I can't remember right now.

I thought I saw that there is also a requirement to provide adequate end of life care. I couldn't find it when I went back to look for it.

I am going to look at the survey when I'm on a laptop tomorrow.
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You haven't seen it yet after all this discussion? It says the court ruled to take the foreseeable death requirement out. The survey asks what people think about other things like also changing the wait period - but it doesn't specify longer or shorter. So people could be answering it assuming it means one or the other. It asks what people think about mental illness being included - more specifically how it should be handled if (when) it is included.. Basically MAID is on an expansion trajectory and this ambiguous survey only pays lip service to any serious concerns. And it barely does that.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
You haven't seen it yet after all this discussion? It says the court ruled to take the foreseeable death requirement out. The survey asks what people think about other things like also changing the wait period - but it doesn't specify longer or shorter. So people could be answering it assuming it's means one or the other.
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I had looked at it. I looked closer tonight. Even with the foreseeable death removed there are still considerable safeguards. It allows for people with degenerative conditions such as Alzheimers to be able to plan their deaths. It might allow someone like me to create a document of some kind to determine when I might consider MAID (I'm not saying that's what I would actually do)

I find that when I'm looking at the Criminal Code and similar documents, I need to review them on different occasions with thought and discussion in between. I'm a percolator. I can't just make an informed decision on the fly.
 
Ritafee said:
Seriously?

Even with the law as it is, doctors do often shorten life in such cases in spite of the fact that in doing so they become legally liable to be prosecuted for doing so.

"Hypocrisy at all costs.”
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This has happened for many years. My Nana was treated in a way that would reduce her pain but hasten her death. The doctors were absolutely transparent about that. Her adult children knew what the options were - remove the pain killing meds and let her die in agony - or continue the pain killing meds that would kill her painlessly.
 
@Rita have you ever had surgery or been treated for any kind of infection? If you hadn't you might've died young. Would that be natural? Was your medical treatment an unnatural response? Is any evolved human service that isn't as primitive as the Neanderthals an unnatural response?
 
I have moved all the posts (I hope) having to do with the Latimer family to its own thread. I have included the argumentative posts for flow. Please note, discussion is expected to be respectful. Any post that suggests another member cannot comment will be removed. Thread reply bans will be used in the event such comments are made.
 
Northwind said:
One woman's story:
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Taylor’s support of medical assistance in dying goes back decades.

When her mother was suffering with throat cancer in San Francisco 20 years ago, she chose to join the Hemlock Society to organize a death at home by concentrated morphine injection.

Taylor administered the injection, as per her mother’s wish, while her two brothers held their mother’s hands.
 
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