ABORTION

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

Seeing as youre a male you should have started a thread for males on how to keep your penis in your pants.

I don't have that problem.

I had as many kids as I wanted. Then we used birth control till we were sure. Then I got fixed by Dr. Hanslip. Scary day, but I survived.

 

[Waterfall]

I don't have that problem.

You also dont have the problem of deciding if you should have an abortion or not.....so teach your fellow males how to prevent it if youre against abortion.

 

[DaisyJane]

Indeed babies are not nobody. And many of us pro-choice feminists are uncomfortable with abortion. However, we understand in a complex world with inadequate supports sometimes people make heartbreaking decisions. It is not enough to simply want the baby born.

Which means that if you choose "babies" you also support:
1) Comprehensive and continuing health care for babies, mothers, and all people with disabilities.
2) Comprehensive and continuing social/employment/child care/educational supports for babies, mothers, all people with disabilities.
3) Comprehensive sexual and reproductive health education that allow women to make informed decisions about their sexual and reproductive lives with partners who can also engage in the decision in a loving and informed way.
4) Adoptive rights for loving families, which could include loving, non-traditional families.
5) A justice system that deals with sexual offenders in a meaningful way, rather than excusing sexually inappropriate behaviour as "boys will be boys" etc......
6) Strategies that deconstruct toxic masculinity and promote healthy and constructive relationships between the sexes.
7) Strategies that give voice to women who have been sexually abused, exploited and therefore create meaningful dialogue around sexual exploitation, ultimately destigmatizing sexual shame.
8) Compassionate health care for profoundly disabled fetuses and babies -which could include late term termination of pregnancy and/or discontinuing of life support. However also could include counselling and comprehensive palliative care.

These are, conveniently, all things that we rabid feminists also support.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

You also dont have the problem of deciding if you should have an abortion or not.....so teach your fellow males how to prevent it if youre against abortion.

You are such a sexist. Seriously!!! If all are equal... it isn't men's problem or women's problem. It is our problem.
human beings... we... all of us...

My vote is don't kill. That should not even be an option.

 

[DaisyJane]

I don't have that problem.

I had as many kids as I wanted. Then we used birth control till we were sure. Then I got fixed by Dr. Hanslip. Scary day, but I survived.

What I find interesting about this particular response is the use of the word "I". I had the kids I wanted then..... That particular sentence, and in particular the lack of a "we" in terms of kids, speaks volumes.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

Indeed babies are not nobody. And many of us pro-choice feminists are uncomfortable with abortion. However, we understand in a complex world with inadequate supports sometimes people make heartbreaking decisions. It is not enough to simply want the baby born.

Which means that if you choose "babies" you also support:
1) Comprehensive and continuing health care for babies, mothers, and all people with disabilities.
2) Comprehensive and continuing social/employment/child care/educational supports for babies, mothers, all people with disabilities.
3) Comprehensive sexual and reproductive health education that allow women to make informed decisions about their sexual and reproductive lives with partners who can also engage in the decision in a loving and informed way.
4) Adoptive rights for loving families, which could include loving, non-traditional families.
5) A justice system that deals with sexual offenders in a meaningful way, rather than excusing sexually inappropriate behaviour as "boys will be boys" etc......
6) Strategies that deconstruct toxic masculinity and promote healthy and constructive relationships between the sexes.
7) Strategies that give voice to women who have been sexually abused, exploited and therefore create meaningful dialogue around sexual exploitation, ultimately destigmatizing sexual shame.
8) Compassionate health care for profoundly disabled fetuses and babies -which could include late term termination of pregnancy and/or discontinuing of life support. However also could include counselling and comprehensive palliative care.

These are, conveniently, all things that we rabid feminists also support.

Sounds pretty good...

Now all you need to do is stop killing innocent people.

 

[Waterfall]

You are such a sexist. Seriously!!! If all are equal... it isn't men's problem or women's problem. It is our problem.
human beings... we... all of us...

My vote is don't kill. That should not even be an option.

Wheres the vote to talk to the men about their responsibility?

 

[Waterfall]

Indeed babies are not nobody. And many of us pro-choice feminists are uncomfortable with abortion. However, we understand in a complex world with inadequate supports sometimes people make heartbreaking decisions. It is not enough to simply want the baby born.

Which means that if you choose "babies" you also support:
1) Comprehensive and continuing health care for babies, mothers, and all people with disabilities.
2) Comprehensive and continuing social/employment/child care/educational supports for babies, mothers, all people with disabilities.
3) Comprehensive sexual and reproductive health education that allow women to make informed decisions about their sexual and reproductive lives with partners who can also engage in the decision in a loving and informed way.
4) Adoptive rights for loving families, which could include loving, non-traditional families.
5) A justice system that deals with sexual offenders in a meaningful way, rather than excusing sexually inappropriate behaviour as "boys will be boys" etc......
6) Strategies that deconstruct toxic masculinity and promote healthy and constructive relationships between the sexes.
7) Strategies that give voice to women who have been sexually abused, exploited and therefore create meaningful dialogue around sexual exploitation, ultimately destigmatizing sexual shame.
8) Compassionate health care for profoundly disabled fetuses and babies -which could include late term termination of pregnancy and/or discontinuing of life support. However also could include counselling and comprehensive palliative care.

These are, conveniently, all things that we rabid feminists also support.

Nobody....as in so far nobody wins

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

What I find interesting about this particular response is the use of the word "I". I had the kids I wanted then..... That particular sentence, and in particular the lack of a "we" in terms of kids, speaks volumes.

I was the one who made sure we could not get pregnant again. We did not get fixed. We agreed on the solution.

 

[DaisyJane]

Sounds pretty good...

Now all you need to do is stop killing innocent people.

Do me a favour Pontifex. Please go read about logical fallacies.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

Do me a favour Pontifex. Please go read about logical fallacies.

Nice try, you can't take any moral high ground with all your reasonable sounding concerns and you follow it with - So that's why we kill.

 

[Northwind]

These are, conveniently, all things that we rabid feminists also support.

This rabid feminist supports your list DsisyJane

 

[BetteTheRed]

There's several other issues at play here:

i) God is apparently fine with abortion. Some 30% of implanted eggs abort.

ii) Even if you follow all of Daisy's recommendations, there will still be a need for abortions. Despite God's best efforts in i) above, babies develop badly; they have no brain, they die in utero. Forcing a woman to carry a dead baby is very cruel. Labour doesn't progress well, etc.

iii) The world's number one problem in terms of sustainable development is too many people. We need to be subtracting, not adding, and rather rapidly, at that.

 

[Mendalla]

These are, conveniently, all things that we rabid feminists also support.

Don't have to be rabid or feminist. Most of that is just sane, sensible thinking in my books. So I am throwing down with the rabid feminists here. Or maybe I am one?

 

[paradox3]

And many of us pro-choice feminists are uncomfortable with abortion.

Just checking in as another pro-choice feminist. I, too, feel uncomfortable with abortion. But I am in the fortunate position of never having faced an unwanted pregnancy.

I don't think I would ever have opted for an abortion because a pregnancy was inconvenient. But there are other circumstances under which I would have considered it. I don't think we can really anticipate what we would do in hypothetical situations.

 

[Carolla]

I have two personal friends who have shared with me their abortion decisions - both for personal reasons, not health of the fetus. It was gut wrenching for them both. Some women never really come to peace with it - as I have seen in others who were my patients over the years. Some of the abortion rhetoric seems to suggest it's a simple and easy thing - which it is not in many cases.

Like P3 it is not something I have experienced myself. There was a time in my life when I would have seen it as a viable choice for me; then a time during which it seemed unthinkable as a personal choice for me; then later again it seemed to be something I might consider under some circumstances. It is impossible to know really, as P3 points out.

 

[chansen]

Donald Trump is under extreme threat so he has to double down on something to rally his base to his defense. Right now, it's abortion. So he'll pretend to care about it. Tax breaks for the rich are tied to the evangelical wish to ban abortion. It's quite the marriage of convenience.

Evangelicals are simply being used by the rich.

 

[Northwind]

I've met several women who have faced unplanned pregnancies. Several were choosing to place their baby for adoption. Some chose to parent the baby. A few chose abortion. To suggest women choose abortion for convenience grossly simplifies a difficult situation for all involved

 

[Ritafee]

So - "every little GIRL" should see this??? What about every little boy ... and every big boy?? Again - the responsibility (blame?) falls upon women. How about you guys don't cause the pregnancy in the first place???

Perhaps it should be incorporated into the Sex Ed Curriculum - or is it already there?

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

iii) The world's number one problem in terms of sustainable development is too many people. We need to be subtracting, not adding, and rather rapidly, at that.

What a stupid argument. Then why don’t you volunteer? Or why don’t we just do away with lawyers or politicians or people who can’t crack an egg with one hand. Or why don’t we kill the irresponsible culprits who bring an unwanted innocent being into this world.

There’s the solution, if you want to abort your child, fine, but you and the father go too.

Problem solved. No more unwanted pregnancies and Bette gets her accelerated eugenics program.