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Waterfall ----your quote ----- These two paragraphs appear as contradicting each other. How can you say God treats the Jews and gentiles equally but then God puts the Jews last for salvation?

unsafe says -----perfect example of seeing it through Worldly Glasses -------

Waterfall ----Did the Jews believe Jesus was the Messiah ??????? ------The Gentiles Believed that Jesus was the Messiah ------they believed through Saving Faith -----The Jews were still waiting ---their Faith was in the Law not Jesus -------So the first became the last and the last became the first ------- very simple to understand with the right lens in place -----
 
Waterfall ----your quote ----- These two paragraphs appear as contradicting each other. How can you say God treats the Jews and gentiles equally but then God puts the Jews last for salvation?

unsafe says -----perfect example of seeing it through Worldly Glasses -------

Waterfall ----Did the Jews believe Jesus was the Messiah ??????? ------The Gentiles Believed that Jesus was the Messiah ------they believed through Saving Faith -----The Jews were still waiting ---their Faith was in the Law not Jesus -------So the first became the last and the last became the first ------- very simple to understand with the right lens in place -----
And how is this saying there are no Jews or gentiles in Gods eyes as you stated previously?
 
And how is this saying there are no Jews or gentiles in Gods eyes as you stated previously?
Cuz God sees us as equals but the Jews did not see us as equals so Jesus called them out on it, so jesus said you guys are going to be last cuz you guys made the choice to refuse that which God has sent to you

Sorry @unsafe , I know you're capable of answering
 
Cuz God sees us as equals but the Jews did not see us as equals so Jesus called them out on it, so jesus said you guys are going to be last cuz you guys made the choice to refuse that which God has sent to you

Sorry @unsafe , I know you're capable of answering
So God stoops to the Jews level and forgets that He said that all are equal in His eyes?
 
Maybe just maybe....God is saying the first shall be last and the last will be first because there is no first or last or preference of one over another.....we are all equal....what do you think?
 
balckbelt1961 ----Chime in anytime you like ----I know you are very capable of answering as well ------:angel:----
 
Waterfall ---your quote ----- Maybe just maybe....God is saying the first shall be last and the last will be first because there is no first or last or preference of one over another.....we are all equal....what do you think?

unsafe says
As far as Salvation goes Waterfall -----only after receiving Jesus as your Lord and Saviour are we all equal as we are one in Christ ----when your not in Christ you are separated from Christ ---Sin separates us from Christ so their is a distinction we are not all one ------the Jews refused to believe Jesus who Jesus Claimed to be -------and the Jews were more interested in keeping the Law and having someone as their King to deliver them from their Roman Oppressors ------they were not interested in hearing any Good News Preached or Jesus saying He came to Save the lost ---the Jews didn't think they were the lost -----The Jews were the lost even though they were the Chosen ------The Gentiles were not the chosen they were the last on the list but they were the ones who accepted Jesus for who He said He was ------ So the last chosen became the First to accept ---and the first that were chosen refused to accept and became the last -----


Galatians 3:28 (AMP)
28 There is [now no distinction in regard to salvation] neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you [who believe] are all one in Christ Jesus [no one can claim a spiritual superiority].


unsafe says ---The Jews were claiming Spiritual superiority -------they though they were the saved race ----and the Gentiles were inferior to them -------
 
Waterfall ---your quote ----- Maybe just maybe....God is saying the first shall be last and the last will be first because there is no first or last or preference of one over another.....we are all equal....what do you think?

unsafe says
As far as Salvation goes Waterfall -----only after receiving Jesus as your Lord and Saviour are we all equal as we are one in Christ ----when your not in Christ you are separated from Christ ---Sin separates us from Christ so their is a distinction we are not all one ------the Jews refused to believe Jesus who Jesus Claimed to be -------and the Jews were more interested in keeping the Law and having someone as their King to deliver them from their Roman Oppressors ------they were not interested in hearing any Good News Preached or Jesus saying He came to Save the lost ---the Jews didn't think they were the lost -----The Jews were the lost even though they were the Chosen ------The Gentiles were not the chosen they were the last on the list but they were the ones who accepted Jesus for who He said He was ------ So the last chosen became the First to accept ---and the first that were chosen refused to accept and became the last -----


Galatians 3:28 (AMP)
28 There is [now no distinction in regard to salvation] neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you [who believe] are all one in Christ Jesus [no one can claim a spiritual superiority].


unsafe says ---The Jews were claiming Spiritual superiority -------they though they were the saved race ----and the Gentiles were inferior to them -------
And where does it EXACTLY say the JEWS will be last and the GENTILES will be first.....is that in Mathew or is that your interpretation also?
 
Waterfall ------you are refusing to see what the scripture is actually saying ---and that is because you are reading it through the wrong lens and your heart is hardened to receive the truth of the scripture about the Jews -------Satan blinds the mind of the unbeliever ------God's words not mine -----


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Waterfall ------you are refusing to see what the scripture is actually saying ---and that is because you are reading it through the wrong lens and your heart is hardened to receive the truth of the scripture about the Jews -------Satan blinds the mind of the unbeliever ------God's words not mine -----


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Just show me specifically the scripture where it says the Gentiles will be first.
 
Do spiritual eyes see ghostly visions ... even though bound up to blind faith?

Nothing more beyond that so eternal ideals (god) are out of the question ... all enigmas being limited as if they were mortal!

Does this leave the immortal dead to means ...
 
paradox3 ------

This is Matthew 20----this parable is about Salvation --------

Matthew 20 (ERV)
Jesus Uses a Story About Farm Workers
20 “God’s kingdom is like a man who owned some land.

unsafe says ------ Who is the Land owner ---------God -----

One morning, the man went out very early to hire some people to work in his vineyard.

unsafe says ------the first ones calledl to the Vineyard ----- represent the Jews ------

3 “About nine o’clock the man went to the marketplace and saw some other people standing there. They were doing nothing. 4 So he said to them, ‘If you go and work in my field, I will pay you what your work is worth.’ 5 So they went to work in the vineyard.

unsafe says ------the last ones called to the Vineyard represent the Gentiles -------

The equal pay represents God is in no debt to man as this world sees ------The first and the last hired are equal in God's eyes ----In Christ there is no Jew or Gentile ---etc The First group become jealous and discontent that the last got the same pay -----God brought in the Gentiles to include in Salvation to make the Jews jealous and come to the realization they needed a Saviour ------The Gentiles believed Jesus was the Messiah and the Jews didn't -----

So just because the Jews were the first chosen they become the last because of their unbelief that Jesus is who He said He was ----and the Last who were the Gentiles became the first unto Salvation ----


The Tenants ---are the Jew -----The Servants are the Gentiles ----- We are God's Creation and everything we have is owned by God ---we own nothing -----and we are nothing without Christ -----The Tenants--- the Jews thought that they were the Chosen ones and were the best of the lot ----The Parable shows that the Gentiles in God's eyes were equal in value to the Chosen ones hence the equal pay -------So what looks right in this world is not so in God's Kingdom ------

God accepts all who come to Him to be saved no matter the time ---------Salvation is there for us ---we have free will to accept or reject His Grace offer ------but we are to be saved His Way not our way -------

In the world we climb up the latter to success ----In the Spiritual world we climb down the Ladder for success -------

Jesus was King and laid His Kingship down ---he climbed down the ladder ----to become a sacrifice for us ------we are to lay self ( ego down to be a servant of Christ -----

This isn't exegesis. This is possibly the most tortured translation of this text that I have ever had the misfortune to consider. Could some revs please chime in on how bad this is? Just to start with, it introduces anti-Semitism into the text IN WHICH THERE IS NO HINT OF SAME.

Spiritual lens, my ass. You're looking through lenses smeared with Olsteen Prosperity Gospel bulls**t.
 
@unsafe and @blackbelt1961

I would like to return to Matthew 20:1-16 & I am tagging you both because you seem to be of like mind here.

Agreeing with the interpretation of the landowner as God. The parable tells us there were five different groups involved: those hired early in the day, those hired at the third hour, those hired at the sixth hour, those hired at the ninth hour and those hired at the eleventh hour. If the workers in the vineyard represent Jews and Gentiles (as unsafe says), do you have a specific identity in mind for each of the five groups?

I still see no evidence of a tenant or servants in Matthew 20. An absentee landlord enters in Matthew 21 (the parable of the wicked vinedressers) along with a tenant, several servants and the landowner's son.

This is not a matter of lacking spiritual glasses. It is an issue of looking at one parable at a time.
 
Those coming on board at the eleventh hour are hatchet men shipped in from Mara Largo ...

Sometimes these cost cutters (profit fooks) are tagged with chainsaw nicknames ... to look after the truffula trees ... mostly FUZZ to those high up the latter ... r-cis?

Some can't see anything coming ... only present spirits ... scottish rocks?
 
Waterfall ---your sounding demanding here --------read the whole piece of Scripture below -------this is the verse -----the Jews wouldn't listen to the Salvation package -----so it was given to the Gentiles --------

28 “I want you Jews to know that God has sent his salvation to the non-Jewish people. They will listen!”



Acts 28:15-31 (ERV)

15 The brothers and sisters in Rome heard about us and came out to meet us at the Market of Appiusa]' data-fn="#fen-ERV-27564a">[a] and at the Three Inns.b]' data-fn="#fen-ERV-27564b">[b] When Paul saw these believers, he thanked God and felt encouraged.

Paul in Rome
16 When we came to Rome, Paul was allowed to live alone. But a soldier stayed with him to guard him.

17 Three days later Paul sent for some of the most important Jews. When they came together, he said, “My brothers, I have done nothing against our people or against the customs of our fathers. But I was arrested in Jerusalem and handed over to the Romans. 18 They asked me many questions, but they could not find any reason why I should be put to death. So they wanted to let me go free. 19 But the Jews there did not want that. So I had to ask to come to Rome to have my trial before Caesar. That doesn’t mean I am accusing my people of doing anything wrong. 20 That is why I wanted to see you and talk with you. I am bound with this chain because I believe in the hope of Israel.”

21 The Jews answered Paul, “We have received no letters from Judea about you. None of our Jewish brothers who have traveled from there brought news about you or told us anything bad about you. 22 We want to hear your ideas. We know that people everywhere are speaking against this new group.”

23 Paul and the Jews chose a day for a meeting. On that day many more of these Jews met with Paul at his house. He spoke to them all day long, explaining God’s kingdom to them. He used the Law of Moses and the writings of the prophets to persuade them to believe in Jesus.

24 Some of the Jews believed what he said, but others did not believe.

25 They had an argument among themselves and were ready to leave. But Paul said one more thing to them: “The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your fathers through Isaiah the prophet. He said,

26 ‘Go to this people and tell them:
You will listen and you will hear,
but you will not understand.
You will look and you will see,
but you will not understand what you see.
27 Yes, the minds of these people are now closed.
They have ears, but they don’t listen.
They have eyes, but they refuse to see.
If their minds were not closed,
they might see with their eyes;
they might hear with their ears;
they might understand with their minds.
Then they might turn back to me and be healed.’A)' data-cr="#cen-ERV-27576A">


28 “I want you Jews to know that God has sent his salvation to the non-Jewish people. They will listen!”

30 Paul stayed two full years in his own rented house. He welcomed all the people who came and visited him. 31 He told them about God’s kingdom and taught them about the Lord Jesus Christ. He was very bold, and no one tried to stop him from speaking.

unsafe says -----
The Gentiles Listened and the Jews remained the same they left in an argument ------- there are still Jews today who haven't listened and they were the chosen group -----they are still waiting for their King -------
 
Does the word determinate, inflexible, have a metaphor too?

Contrasts with an indeterminate god given the eternal distances involved ... ultimate?
 
paradox3 ----your quote ------ This is not a matter of lacking spiritual glasses. It is an issue of looking at one parable at a time.

Again your heart seems to be harden against accepting truth -----and Spiritual blindness comes because of the wrong glasses to see the scripture ------Satan's job is to keep us from knowing the truth and he is doing a good Job with you and others here ------



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