TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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Kimmio said:
I think Oprah would be a good leader (even Trump himself said so - his endorsement of her was worth more in 1999 I think). She's smart. She's compassionate (albeit, a little narcissistic but not clinically disordered). She is a true rags to riches story but still understands systemic racism, sexism, poverty and inequality. She's confident. Oprah, and Al Franken, would make an excellent leadership pair. For celebrities, they're the best ones of the bunch. Al Franken has to be redeemed in the public eye, though.
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So... Trump says he takes advantage of women - and that makes him utterly horrid, while Franken is accused of taking advantage of women - and he's to be redeemed. Interesting take. Yep, no political bias being seen there. :rolleyes:
 
The difference is, Franken owned up to it and did the right thing. Trumptydumpty still has never given any indication that he acted inappropriately. Don't forgiveness and redemption have something to do with confessing and repenting? Nah, no political bias there at all.... Nothing to see here, folks, move along quietly...
 
Jae said:
Would hate to see Oprah as president. She's as liberal as Kathleen Wynne. She might introduce federal sex-ed classes at ages children are not yet ready for.
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Liberal thoughts ... these should be confined for thinking people are dangerous ... thus we are directed to stop and listen but don't think ... have we heard this afore in rote of dogs breakfast?

This would be evil as free light ... and Christ that must be put down and denied in any republican organization ...

But if Christ is the Levite ... does that create chaos ... dissonance in non sense I-call space ... a tickle in the far route ... ???????? Questions abound ...
 
Redbaron said:
The difference is, Franken owned up to it and did the right thing. Trumptydumpty still has never given any indication that he acted inappropriately. Don't forgiveness and redemption have something to do with confessing and repenting? Nah, no political bias there at all.... Nothing to see here, folks, move along quietly...
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Trump is an icon of abstract thought ... thought that's incarnate ... just isn't there ... and you do know that thoughts are dangerous!
 
Jae said:
Would hate to see Oprah as president. She's as liberal as Kathleen Wynne. She might introduce federal sex-ed classes at ages children are not yet ready for.
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That's the wedge issue you bring up to get people upset? Sex ed?

Your trolling is getting worse.
 
crazyheart said:
I get such a feeling that Trump is smarter than we think and he is playing us all.
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Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

After seeing him in action as President for a year, he's stupid. He was stupid to let cameras into his recent bipartisan meeting over immigration. He rambled, never presented a coherent vision, and said he would sign anything they put in front of him. This is the master negotiator?

He is bumbling along. Stephen Miller is the driving force behind the anti-immigrant talk and policies. Take Miller out of the room, and Trump has no ideas of his own. Trump is not a smart man. It's debatable that he ever was, but now, he is a slogan-spewing dumbass who has no idea what he got himself into.

Imagine him and Mueller in a room, just the two of them, with a tape recorder. Lester Holt got Trump to admit obstruction on video without even trying. Mueller could get anything he wanted. Trump's lawyers will never let it happen, but the concept is awesome.
 
Redbaron said:
The difference is, Franken owned up to it and did the right thing. Trumptydumpty still has never given any indication that he acted inappropriately. Don't forgiveness and redemption have something to do with confessing and repenting? Nah, no political bias there at all.... Nothing to see here, folks, move along quietly...
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Trump owned up to what he had engaged in - locker room talk.
 
Nothing is: love and god ... who would own up to stuff devoid of thought, intelligence and wisdom ... except for an isolated few ... such is displaced ... like DP's, can't see the virtue in things alien ... due to split Zaers ...
 
Jae said:
So... Trump says he takes advantage of women - and that makes him utterly horrid, while Franken is accused of taking advantage of women - and he's to be redeemed. Interesting take. Yep, no political bias being seen there. :rolleyes:
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Jae said:
Trump owned up to what he had engaged in - locker room talk.
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Women are not objects to be fondled or otherwise used. The president has often said things like he can kiss any woman he wants, etc. That is not okay. Dismissing such behaviour as locker room talk is part of the problem.
 
Redbaron said:
The difference is, Franken owned up to it and did the right thing. Trumptydumpty still has never given any indication that he acted inappropriately. Don't forgiveness and redemption have something to do with confessing and repenting? Nah, no political bias there at all.... Nothing to see here, folks, move along quietly...
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Actually Franken owned up to very little. He admitted to groping the one woman - because there was a picture of him groping her while she was asleep. He could hardly deny that one. Otherwise, he basically said that he's sorry not that he did something inappropriate, but that there are women who feel that he did something inappropriate. That's almost a verbatim quote. As an article in The Washington Post wrote, Franken had apologized for making these women “feel badly” but never admitted he did anything wrong. In another article, the Post said that:

"It's slippery, politician-y language that could allow Franken to have it both ways: give his accusers the benefit of the doubt (so as to be seen on the right side of this sexual harassment allegations wave sweeping Washington), while keep his political career intact (because he maintains he didn't intentionally grope these women)." (Although, in the end it didn't work and his political career may well be over.)

In his resignation speech before he left the Senate he also never apologized; never said "I'm sorry" to anyone. He was defiant rather than repentant. Again from The Washington Post: "He was even less apologetic in his resignation speech, saying some of his eight accusers remembered his actions differently and suggesting other accusations flat-out didn't happen." The only thing he did right in this whole affair was resign - and he was pretty much forced to do that when a group of female Democratic senators and members of the House and others in the Democratic leadership told him essentially "For God's sake, GO!"

In fact there does seem to be a bit of a double standard in how Franken is being perceived and regarded when he really hasn't apologized for or admitted to anything except the one thing that there's a picture of him doing. Which is still better than Trump, who most recently says he never said what he's clearly on tape saying.
 
revsdd said:
Actually Franken owned up to very little. He admitted to groping the one woman - because there was a picture of him groping her while she was asleep. He could hardly deny that one. Otherwise, he basically said that he's sorry not that he did something inappropriate, but that there are women who feel that he did something inappropriate. That's almost a verbatim quote. As an article in The Washington Post wrote, Franken had apologized for making these women “feel badly” but never admitted he did anything wrong. In another article, the Post said that:

"It's slippery, politician-y language that could allow Franken to have it both ways: give his accusers the benefit of the doubt (so as to be seen on the right side of this sexual harassment allegations wave sweeping Washington), while keep his political career intact (because he maintains he didn't intentionally grope these women)." (Although, in the end it didn't work and his political career may well be over.)

In his resignation speech before he left the Senate he also never apologized; never said "I'm sorry" to anyone. He was defiant rather than repentant. Again from The Washington Post: "He was even less apologetic in his resignation speech, saying some of his eight accusers remembered his actions differently and suggesting other accusations flat-out didn't happen." The only thing he did right in this whole affair was resign - and he was pretty much forced to do that when a group of female Democratic senators and members of the House and others in the Democratic leadership told him essentially "For God's sake, GO!"

In fact there does seem to be a bit of a double standard in how Franken is being perceived and regarded when he really hasn't apologized for or admitted to anything except the one thing that there's a picture of him doing. Which is still better than Trump, who most recently says he never said what he's clearly on tape saying.
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All part of the world vision that lies here all about ...
 
Franken gave a partial apology, or maybe he apologized for as much as he thinks he's responsible for. I suppose I am more willing to forgive him, as I said awhile ago - because his voting record shows some good work overall (it's posted up thread a ways). Including, for women's issues. In the big picture...he made a few stupid personal mistakes, and has done quite a bit of good politically. He did the right thing by stepping down. He seems like someone who can be self reflective, change, and redeem himself, imo. He's no Harvey Weinstein. And he is not the totality of his missteps. And, he is more mature than Trump. I don't even know where to start, there, but trump won't accept accountability for 'anything' whatsoever. He seems incapable of it. And - Franken understands the pressing social and political issues. Not sure Trump could name all 50 states. It is disappointing, of course, that Franken is a flawed human being that harassed women (expected better of him - I was disheartened by him)...however he may be one of the better senators the U.S. has had. I don't think he'll ever harass or antagonize another woman again, either.
 
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Kimmio said:
Franken gave a partial apology, or maybe he apologized for as much as he thinks he's responsible for. I suppose I am more willing to forgive him, as I said awhile ago - because his voting record shows some good work overall (it's posted up thread a ways). Including, for women's issues. In the big picture...he made a few stupid personal mistakes, and has done quite a bit of good politically. He did the right thing by stepping down. He seems like someone who can be self reflective, change, and redeem himself, imo. He's no Harvey Weinstein. And he is not the totality of his missteps. And, he is more mature than Trump. I don't even know where to start, there, but trump won't accept accountability for 'anything' whatsoever. He seems incapable of it. And - Franken understands the pressing social and political issues. Not sure Trump could name all 50 states. It is disappointing, of course, that Franken is a flawed human being that harassed women (expected better of him - I was disheartened by him)...however he may be one of the better senators the U.S. has had. I don't think he'll ever harass or antagonize another woman again, either.
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What's a Weinstein without the omega part ... ein stein and thus the appropriate containment of wild desires ... by outside thought ... distant intelligence ... allows something tp grow out 've ...
 
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