What is a Miracle?

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Waterfall said:
Either way heart failure is what leads to all deaths no matter the circumstances or how we die.
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I think she meant "heart attack". Unfortunately, some still use "heart failure" where "heart attack" or "heart disease" might be more appropriate.
 
Psyche and cupid raged on about this differential! Perhaps raven in a conspiracy as that expression can go round and round! The escape from this dizzy world may be exceptional ...

And all rules are said to have rare exceptions and lack of gas to get a second breth ...

In a society hell bent to shaft the neighbour to be better ... would this evolve into a hole flow of sticks like a log driven in the spring flush-ET? Thus those wiki' di nights under the bridge in GEO Ghia ... or mada Sand counties ... full grits?

This may grind to the 'ault as we find words created by mortals struggle to become eternal ... thus alter means like Y's those politicians due radically insane things?

Sheer polity? I think knot ... thus bumps in the system ...
 
Jae said:
Maybe...? Didn't know that's what @BetteTheRed had in mind.
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Sorry that I wasn't perfectly clear.

In my mind, being hit by a large solid object whilst in a car doing roughly 120 km translates into probable death. Probably about as probable as that of a heart attack. How is one miracle (mine - which probably saved my life) better than another miracle (yours - which probably saved your life)?
 
BetteTheRed said:
Sorry that I wasn't perfectly clear.

In my mind, being hit by a large solid object whilst in a car doing roughly 120 km translates into probable death. Probably about as probable as that of a heart attack. How is one miracle (mine - which probably saved my life) better than another miracle (yours - which probably saved your life)?
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Having narrowly avoided some imbecile's improperly secured load 3 or so years back, I am quite in agreement. Though I wouldn't call mine a miracle since my reflexes definitely had a lot to do with my escape.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Sorry that I wasn't perfectly clear.

In my mind, being hit by a large solid object whilst in a car doing roughly 120 km translates into probable death. Probably about as probable as that of a heart attack. How is one miracle (mine - which probably saved my life) better than another miracle (yours - which probably saved your life)?
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Didn't catch the part about the garbage can hitting the car.

I'm glad your life was spared. It wasn't me who had the heart trouble.
 
Mendalla said:
Though I wouldn't call mine a miracle since my reflexes definitely had a lot to do with my escape.
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Busy, busy, busy morning rush hour, but 'at speed' on an expressway with a lot of lanes just south of Philadelphia. Not much room for manouevring...
 
High speed (motive) garbage or crap in the dark ... can give an instance of impact!

Some intelligence is of assistance ... a slow coming thing to many ...

Gives rise to an old adage: "know your chit!" Itty bitty stuff sometimes experienced in archetypal stories of scientific nature ... nature of observation being a key word ...

Beyond that higher levels of supernatural may not be what they appear to be ... because of emotional highs! Those high on power will say the lesser folks are superficial ... and alternate radical schemes may appear similar ... thus both sides are scroo' d without means for sol!
 
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Mendalla said:
This was on the 401. Unfortunately, the little s**t was too far ahead for me to get his plate.
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Some folks even say that thoughts are garbage ... so they don't go there ... too Ozie! Some say Oz OHM ... thus resistance to the electric meme ...

Large sensitivities like getting bussed over can be a pain ... some are left in a train of wrecks ... railway to heaven? God rests ...
 
Ritafee said:
“They blended religion and art and science because, at base, science is no more than an investigation of a miracle we can never explain, and art is an interpretation of that miracle.”
― Ray Bradbury
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The bible said somewhere that interpreters were needed ... to straighten out the anonymous non-sense! Nubians ...
 
Our existence is a miracle. Life itself is miraculous and everything that manifests from Life into all that is living is a miracle.

From abstract existential, scientific (the fact that our earth has just the right conditions for life on this planet to incubate evolved self aware, thinking, feeling, living beings...what are the chances? ... And why we exist is still a mystery - if there isn't a why, then we wouldn't be capable of asking that question - there'd be no point. That makes less logical sense than there actually being a purpose for our existence) and spiritual points of view...it's all too big to know.

To me then, it also makes logical sense to say, synonymously: Our existence is a miracle. God is miraculous, and everything that manifests from God into all that is living is a miracle.
 
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chansen said:
Does it bother you how teeter-totters tend to stop with one end down and the other end up? If you walk through a park, do you have an urge to make them all horizontal so both equal?
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That sounds like an interesting walk through the park, to me. I can imagine trying to do that...or, at least, making a picture of it that captures that bit of imagination. ;):D

You know Libra, and also the statue of the woman balancing the scales - Justice, equality, balance (which is like fraternity=humanity with a common purpose and mutual support)? Captures the imagination, longing for those things. Some people do walk through life seeing that it is imbalanced and wanting it to be more balanced. Maybe that is our common purpose. Also, nobody wants to be the one on the teeter totter stuck up in the air...nor the one hurting their tailbone with a thud to the ground.

(Imagination is a miracle.)
 
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Kimmio said:
That sounds like an interesting walk through the park, to me. I can imagine trying to do that...or, at least, making a picture of it that captures that bit of imagination. ;):D

You know Libra, and also the statue of the woman balancing the scales - Justice, equality, balance (which is like fraternity=humanity with a common purpose and mutual support)? Captures the imagination, longing for those things. Some people do walk through life seeing that it is imbalanced and wanting it to be more balanced. Maybe that is our common purpose. Also, nobody wants to be the one on the teeter totter stuck up in the air...nor the one hurting their tailbone with a thud to the ground.

(Imagination is a miracle.)
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Obviously as things are going according to someone's protocol ... we are on the alternate side of the grasping imagination ... we just don't gather well ... tis hairy ... and we wonder if there's anything in'ere ... cloes pace ...
 
Using vehicles to explain an interventionist god is an exercise in futility in my opinion. I heard the pastor of a church claiming a miracle when one of his flock was narrowly missed by a truck that ran a red light. Apparently this proved there was a god. A god who prevented the death of someone known to the pastor. Missing from his account were the four young adults who were in the car behind the one that god kept safe. The truck hit them and they were all grievously injured, two didn't fully recover. Uncaring, capricious god eh.

Then, of course, many people questioned the notion of a caring, interventionist god following the Bronco accident. Some people routinely pray for the safety of sports teams travelling the highways on buses. Some now claim that the point god was making with all those deaths and injuries was "humans need to make sure truck drivers are well trained'. There are better ways to transmit that message, ways that don't kill people.

Personally speaking, I don't believe in an interventionist god. I accept that sometimes people can feel so helpless that they pray for help or a magical cure. I believe there are many things we can't explain so they get called miracles.
 
God, I believe, is under no obligation whatsoever to intervene for anyone. God can do whatever God would sovereignly care to do. Therefore, I do rejoice over those times when I believe God does choose to intervene.
 
Oddly, a pantheist deity is technically interventionist. In fact, they are intervening constantly. However, it is not the type of intervention we are talking about. Since a pantheist deity is the sum of the universe, everything that happens from the quantum level on up is "divine intervention" in a sense. However, it is not a response to prayer or faith or whatever, just the universe doing what the universe does (there are some who argue human will can affect change in the fundamental laws of existence, but no one has confirmed that rather far-out hypothesis). And that includes apparent "miracles" like the person who survives a supposedly unsurvivable fall or illness. As I commented earlier about the child falling, if we knew everything knowable about each so-called miracle and did the math, I'd bet we could explain them without resort to the supernatural.
 
It is possible, of course, that God chooses to intervene in some cases and not others.

However this makes God into a somewhat capricious character . . .
 
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