Wisdom Calls (and chides) : Proverbs 1:20-33

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Mendalla said:
In my understanding, Wisdom is using our knowledge and skills to live in right relationship to ourselves (yes, self-knowledge factors into it, I would argue), others, the world/universe, God (if we are theist) rather than being a specific set of knowledge itself. So there is a constant component to it in that living in right relationship reflects on values and ideas that are not necessarily (but could be) changing, but recognizing and dealing with evolving knowledge, evolving beliefs, changing life situations, changing world situations is part of Wisdom, too. Sometimes it is as simple as doing the right thing at the right time. Other times, it requires some complex thought about a situation. Recognizing complexity and simplicity is part of Wisdom, I guess.

That's kind of a braindump there. Might evolve as I think more. Thanks for chiming in on this thread. I have been debating whether to do more of these based on how quiet it has been.
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That's rather like an ultimate ongoing thing ... unless you are part of the timeless factor in the system of curiosity!

Powers hate such things as curiosity as they regularly ask far to many questions for the likes of authority! Great desires and expectations?
 
Wisdom includes distinguishing between reality and wishful or fearful fantasy along with bring attentive to one's emotions. Often it includes choosing honouring relationships ahead of what is probably best in the longterm with a determination to watch for opportunities to move toward what is probably best in the longterm. It can be very murky as new ways, knowledge, and tools keep arising, changing the calculus.
 
Mendalla said:
Thanks for chiming in on this thread. I have been debating whether to do more of these based on how quiet it has been.
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Thanks for giving me a distraction from both our real estate challenges, and my catching up on business finances.
Some day I may start a thread re the challenges, and I will be sure to reference my learnings from this thread.
 
jimkenney12 said:
Wisdom includes distinguishing between reality and wishful or fearful fantasy along with bring attentive to one's emotions. Often it includes choosing honouring relationships ahead of what is probably best in the longterm with a determination to watch for opportunities to move toward what is probably best in the longterm. It can be very murky as new ways, knowledge, and tools keep arising, changing the calculus.
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Who exactly fights change and thus learning the NU's? Some philosopher declared that authority would try and control the media as a form of avarice ... freaking control shifts? Thus we get fossil people ... phos sis! There's more t it ...
 
I'm sorry I've been sorta MIA. I find living in two houses increasingly distracting but don't quite know what to do about it.
 
This is the first of the various Wisdom texts in which She is personified. Jesus also personfies Wisdom.
Jn fact, the earliest reference to "the Trinity" identifies the Triune God as God, God,'s Son, and God's Wisdom," not the Holy Spirit (see Theophilus of Antioch --180 AD). The Triune reference in Matthew 28:16-20 does not label this "the Trinity.".
 
Is this characterization really a mortal or some classification of emotions passed off on a gob of matter when only a psyche response according to some needless activity of someone wishing to rise above practical.

Practical is a grand description (not definite) of some activity going on in the cosmological constant. Some reaction is appropriate --- Newton! Stones are more reactive than empty space ... allowing that a balance would be an improvement.

Alas there are vectors that only take this as linear ... then d not get the spin value! Thus big wheels overwhelm them ... is there a point to it? "I must win!" Is one mindless retort ... at all costs ... thus the rest disintegrates as all that remains after the conquest! Here it ends at our onus of wishing for things impractical ... like leading without a clue or 2! Some emotional folk do not appreciate clues, logic, or psyche power! It's a pious thing for those stuck and needing to cover the mule contained ... ide-A's? Prodigal ... down the hole ... Gehenna? Its a waste, communication with idols ...
 
jimkenney12 said:
Wisdom includes distinguishing between reality and wishful or fearful fantasy along with bring attentive to one's emotions. Often it includes choosing honouring relationships ahead of what is probably best in the longterm with a determination to watch for opportunities to move toward what is probably best in the longterm. It can be very murky as new ways, knowledge, and tools keep arising, changing the calculus.
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In my work, i usually talk about people, process & technology. I think you are referring to process and technology in your statement: " It can be very murky as new ways, knowledge, and tools keep arising, changing the calculus." I would add that new people or changes in relationships also add to the murkiness
 
JayneWonders said:
In my work, i usually talk about people, process & technology. I think you are referring to process and technology in your statement: " It can be very murky as new ways, knowledge, and tools keep arising, changing the calculus." I would add that new people or changes in relationships also add to the murkiness
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The populace explodes with folk that are required to do nothing but the same old thing repetitively ... these generally lead us into folly! I've experienced that with people messing with Ginny ... really a source of endorphins in misuse ... the entire world being hyped into screwed up advances ... its unspeakable! Bad NU's all about ... the sky abut to fall ... don't go there ... keep your head down ... admire your mule ... you might even kiss it good-by! It has to go ... Ba-aL-emoute!
 
Feel that wisdom's deeply rooted in biblical teachings. The Bible frequently highlights how failing to heed wisdom leads to disaster. It seems that rejecting wisdom always results in problems. The idea that initial mistakes can lead to greater disasters if wisdom's ignored is also present. The extensive cataloguing of consequences in the Bible serves as a guide for us to grasp wisdom's importance. By reflecting on these teachings, I feel encouraged to seek and apply wisdom in my life to avoid similar pitfalls. Really, I feel that wisdom must play a critical role in guiding our actions. We must learn from past mistakes and value wisdom as we learn to lead good and fulfilling lives
 
This thread has been dormant for a month. So with jae's permission, I thought I'd quote and apply some of Proverb's more provocative sayings under various topics: Please cite other relevant proverbs or reflect on each saying from your own experience.

TOUGH LOVE:

(1) "Better is open rebuke than hidden love (Proverbs 27:5).."

It's better to tell someone lovingly what they need to hear than what they want to hear, even if they react negatively.
 
The reading from chapter 1 is part of the readings for Sept. 15. Using it in the service.

As for this reading, I believe it means it is better to risk and tell someone you love them than it is to keep silent.
 
TOUGH LOVE:

(2) These 2 proverbs go together and mutually interpret each other:

"Whoever (lovingly) rebukes a person will afterward find more favor than one who flatters with the tongue 28:29)."
"An open rebuke is better than hidden love (27:5)."

In daily life I tend to avoid loving confrontation, hiding behind Jesus' teaching, "Judge not, lest you be judged."
I need to be more of a risk taker and remind myself that Jesus also taught, "If your brother or sister sin, rebuke them, and if they repent, forgive them Luke 17:3)."
 
These two verses are almost two chapters apart. It is a choice to decide they interpret each other.
 
Note that rebuke in the one verse is a noun and w verb in the other. The rebuke that is a noun is paired with hidden love. The structure implies a person has a choice between having one or the other.
 
Mystic said:
This thread has been dormant for a month. So with jae's permission, I thought I'd quote and apply some of Proverb's more provocative sayings under various topics: Please cite other relevant proverbs or reflect on each saying from your own experience.

TOUGH LOVE:

(1) "Better is open rebuke than hidden love (Proverbs 27:5).."

It's better to tell someone lovingly what they need to hear than what they want to hear, even if they react negatively.
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Do I need to give permission? It's @Mendalla's thread. Fwiw, I'm happy to have Scripture discussed :)
 
To become wiser, we must encourage more positive conversations. It’s through dialogue that we'll replace hate with concern
 
If, as both the Sage and Jesus teach, loving confrontation and open rebukes are often advisable, how should we handle rebukes that are far from loving?

"A fool’s wrath is quickly and openly known, but a prudent man ignores an insult (12:15)."
 
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