Upcoming Showdown over Female Ordination in Largest US Protestant Denomination

[Mystic]

Several SB churches were expelled from the denomination for accepting female ministers, including ex-pastor Rick Warren's Saddleback famous mega-church.

Saddleback Church appeals Southern Baptist Convention ouster over woman pastor

The churches appealing their expulsion over accepting female ministers are creating a landmark judicial proceeding that has the potential to transform Southern Baptist ministry.

 

[Northwind]

I couldn't read the entire article. I hope they stand firm in their decision. This is 2023 after all and female clergy/leaders should no longer be an issue.

 

[Mendalla]

This is 2023 after all and female clergy/leaders should no longer be an issue.

* Glances at The Vatican and sighs*

I think that if the SBC actually comes around on this issue, that's a big step forward in Protestantism though. While a lot of Reformed denominations have come around on female clergy, there's still a ways to go in denominations on the Baptist and Pentacostal (and similar) branches of the family tree. And, obviously, some conservative Reformed churches, too.

Of course, after you get women in the pulpit, then comes the battle to get LGBTQ+ in.

 

[Luce NDs]

It is probably a genre issue over the sex of Esse ... and the decidedly form will not accept such knowledge or thought of bearded ladies ...

When all that is said and done to diminish the gentler collective ... thus the coherence diminishes as in a feint ... sometimes syncope! It is wavy like extant harmony when the light remerges ... merging Ra's? An Egyptian beam in the Eve ...

Is black an essence or just abstract? Des it form holes or do holes form black out? Thus illumination goes when the cloud come down ... hopefully with some reflective medium.

 

[Luce NDs]

* Glances at The Vatican and sighs*

I think that if the SBC actually comes around on this issue, that's a big step forward in Protestantism though. While a lot of Reformed denominations have come around on female clergy, there's still a ways to go in denominations on the Baptist and Pentacostal (and similar) branches of the family tree. And, obviously, some conservative Reformed churches, too.

Of course, after you get women in the pulpit, then comes the battle to get LGBTQ+ in.

They still cannot discriminate on genre without powers of dissemination ... like sexing chicks before (pro) they are matured ... a great's kell! It is the silly intern coarse over pronouns that's rough ... happens when knowledge and adequate intelligence scatters ...

Will things ultimately come together and the infinite will go black? Out of sight!!! A character should be well articulated like giant loco motives ... crazy (the way it appears one-sided)?

 

[Northwind]

* Glances at The Vatican and sighs*

Of course, after you get women in the pulpit, then comes the battle to get LGBTQ+ in.

Indeed

 

[Luce NDs]

Indeed

Thus is all beyond us as the word anon intimates ... it is yet to come ... so take care of what you cannot see at present ... the unseen and unknown is generally unheard of by those without projective abstract ... thus bits fly as chits enter existentialism! All of this in flight in a vast domain of avois dense ... movements under the tres? The very thought as transparent ... misty? Happens ...

 

[BetteTheRed]

* Glances at The Vatican and sighs*

Now, I'm wondering. If the Southern Baptists are actually looking at this, can the RCC be much more than a century behind? My prediction is that there will be female priests by 2120.

 

[Mendalla]

Now, I'm wondering. If the Southern Baptists are actually looking at this, can the RCC be much more than a century behind? My prediction is that there will be female priests by 2120.

Maybe the Judgement Day will happen first and save them the trouble.

 

[paradox3]

Is there no issue of property in this denomination? It sounds like they are a looser organization than we are in the UCCan.

Also there are many flavors of Baptist faith in North America.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Also there are many flavors of Baptist faith in North America.

Agreed. But I believe we're talking the monolith known as the Southern Baptist Convention.

 

[Mystic]

Agreed. But I believe we're talking the monolith known as the Southern Baptist Convention.

If the SBC approves the ordination of women, that would have a ripple effect among other reluctant fundamentalist denominations, Baptist and otherwise.

 

[paradox3]

Agreed. But I believe we're talking the monolith known as the Southern Baptist Convention.

Was just thinking about how loosely these Baptist denominations seem to be organized.

 

[Mendalla]

Was just thinking about how loosely these Baptist denominations seem to be organized.

Many, perhaps most or all, are congregational in governance. Not sure about SBC but we know the Fellowship Baptists are courtesy of Jae.

Which also answers your question about property. In a congregational church, the local congregations own their property so there is no impact if they leave their denomination (or get booted).

 

[Mystic]

Interesting article on the Baptist history on the status of women and Rick Warren's aggressive role in defending their ordination:

www.washingtonpost.com › dc-md-va › 2023/06/11Saddleback's Rick Warren takes on Southern Baptists over​

 

[Luce NDs]

More fiasco ... or just the ASCO part in some fey cartoons ... flighty ???? Jim J like ...

 

[Mendalla]

So, true story here. I was involved in a ministerial search in the UCCan in the late eighties. Early on, it was established (not with my agreement but as the youth member, I didn't have a lot of clout) that the church "wasn't ready" for a woman in the pulpit. Which, sadly, was probably true, esp. given how the issue of gay ordination a year or two later played out in that church.

But I think churches that do not ordain women are really missing out on a very important talent pool who are often better-suited to ministry than some of the men who are ministers. The Unitarian Fellowship had two female ministers, one of them a lesbian, during my time there and I quite liked both. One ended up leaving for the UCCan after her time with us finished (she was interim with the fellowship, not settled) but to be fair to her, there isn't much work for UU ministers around here and she leaned strongly UU Christian which can be a liability in the heavily humanist world of Canadian UU'ism.

 

[Luce NDs]

Gentile sects have a different meeting outside the haram (forbidden place) Power corrupts the gentile ... sometime known as Samae ... Sami?

There are Dais like that ... still we do not learn ... and the gentle sex gets uglier ...

 

[jimkenney12]

When the SBC got ducked into Republican politics, it lost its way as a Christian denomination

 

[Mystic]

So this text became the decisive blow that prompted the disfellowshipping of SBC churches with female ministers:

"Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or have authority over a man; she is to keep silent... Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through child-bearing, providing they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty (1 Timothy 2:11-15)."

This case illustrates the crucial role of modern critical Bible scholarship. The scholarly consensus is that Paul never composed the Pastoral Epistles. The real Paul approves female ministers, even female apostles. But like all Fundamentalists, SBC leaders accept Pauline authorship and, for them. Paul speaks for God.
Now the question is whether this eviction of SBC churches with women ministers will have a ripple effect on other Fundamentalist churches with female pastors.