The Weinstein scandal

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I, like a lot of movie watchers, have seen quite a few movies produced by Harvey Weinstein either during his time at Miramax or under his later Weinstein banner. So I have no doubt of his ability to put together quality pictures.

At the same time, I have not exactly been stunned by the scandal swirling around him. Being a successful movie producer and treating women like s**t have gone hand-in-hand for a long time. The casting couch is a cliche in jokes, porn, and show business dramas for good reasons.

The problem, unfortunately, is that he is probably just the one who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. How many other men in Hollywood are still playing this game? How many are turning blind eyes? How many women are being bribed or intimidated into keeping silent?

If the Weinstein scandal does any good, it will be opening the door for those abused by others to come forward as those abused by him did. And, maybe, it will encourage some in the industry to stop keeping silent. Unfortunately, it may also encourage others to clam up or double down on covering tracks for themselves or their associates.

What do you think? Is Hollywood turning over a new leaf or just ditching one of its worst bad eggs?
 
And this is not entirely unrelated to the recent death of Hugh Hefner. To what degree was Hef just the kid who got caught and had Mom say, "Oh, that's fine. Take a few as long as you don't spoil your dinner" instead of slapping him on the wrist and sending him to his room? Did he just manage to cover things up well enough with his progressiveness to avoid a scandal?
 
I think it highlights sexual harassment by employers - pressure (mostly) women feel to go along with it to keep their jobs - and Hollywood obviously isn't immune and is likely worse in that regard. Because of the exclusivity and decadence of the acting business - I wouldn't be surprised if it's worse in Hollywood.
 
"Hollywood is a place where they'll pay you a thousand dollars for a kiss and fifty cents for your soul," Marilyn Monroe

And tell you to Kiss your mule good-bye girl ... worthy thoughts are not accepted there either ...
 
At the same time, I have not exactly been stunned by the scandal swirling around him. Being a successful movie producer and treating women like s**t have gone hand-in-hand for a long time. The casting couch is a cliche in jokes, porn, and show business dramas for good reasons.

I think this is the situation. Hollywood is about sex, glamour, money, greed etc. It seems to me to be a perfect breeding ground for this sort of thing. I do not think Weinstein is the only offender. He's been caught. It will be interesting to see who else is caught. Perhaps this is a sign that this way of treating women or others with supposedly lower status is no longer acceptable.
 
Why are women not speaking up sooner?

Because people start questioning them (rather like you are) and turning the focus on them instead of on the perpetrators. Why didn't they come forward? What are they hiding? Why come forward now?

Victim blaming solves nothing.

Women and Weinstein: The blame-game must end here

Also, because they are often not believed and a guy like Weinstein can ruin your career if you come forward without support. More support in the industry for women who do come forward and faster response by authorities when they do would go a long way towards fixing this.
 
Because people start questioning them (rather like you are) and turning the focus on them instead of on the perpetrators. Why didn't they come forward? What are they hiding? Why come forward now?

Victim blaming solves nothing.

Women and Weinstein: The blame-game must end here

Also, because they are often not believed and a guy like Weinstein can ruin your career if you come forward without support. More support in the industry for women who do come forward and faster response by authorities when they do would go a long way towards fixing this.
My question does not involve victim blaming, it is questioning the effectiveness of over 30 years of education to speak out against these perpetrators.
 
Suppose there is some crap to this connection of victim-perp syndrome that could cause waves for the one-way folk regarding indulgence in activities that one should know better about ...

Some immersion could be incidental as thought ... education ... does that involve strange intelligence over what was known and accepted prior?
 
My question does not involve victim blaming, it is questioning the effectiveness of over 30 years of education to speak out against these perpetrators.

Then frame it that way. The way you asked suggests that the problem lies with the women not talking.

More properly you could ask "Why don't women feel safe coming forward in cases like this? How can we change things to fix that?"

And there are many answers, but a big one is for people to believe them and act instead of brushing it off or sweeping it under the rug to protect themselves. People at Miramax and Weinstein must have known but who's going to question the boss, esp. when he is one of the most powerful, successful MEN in his field (emphasis for a reason).
 
Then frame it that way. The way you asked suggests that the problem lies with the women not talking.

More properly you could ask "Why don't women feel safe coming forward in cases like this? How can we change things to fix that?"

And there are many answers, but a big one is for people to believe them and act instead of brushing it off or sweeping it under the rug to protect themselves. People at Miramax and Weinstein must have known but who's going to question the boss, esp. when he is one of the most powerful, successful MEN in his field (emphasis for a reason).
Well they are questioning him now, and I'm curious why it took so long, does it take on more credibility with more women coming forward from over the years he has been allowed to abuse more? Do we not see a woman's credibility if she is the only one abused?
 
Well they are questioning him now, and I'm curious why it took so long, does it take on more credibility with more women coming forward from over the years he has been allowed to abuse more? Do we not see a woman's credibility if she is the only one abused?

Unfortunately, the answer is too often "yes". And even when we do believe her, we often put her through hell and back to prove it. An online friend on another board has been there and done that after being raped a while back. The resulting PTSD has taken her to the brink of suicide and messed with her marriage.
 
Unfortunately, the answer is too often "yes". And even when we do believe her, we often put her through hell and back to prove it. An online friend on another board has been there and done that after being raped a while back. The resulting PTSD has taken her to the brink of suicide and messed with her marriage.

Powerful people do not think raping anything is of consequence beyond themselves ... an outside chance?
 
Why are women not speaking up sooner?
Perhaps why people don't speak up sooner...
Well
I see that now a LOT of people r speaking out aboot the guy...
So how does that happen?
There have been several experiments that show how conformist we are (we will actually lie aboot a fact if our group says otherwise) and how we react to authority.
These are very powerful things
Or like how someone like Kitty Genovese can get murdered, a process which took a while, all in the presence of a complex where people could hear and even see and most of them did nothing.

LA DI DAH!!!
 
Perhaps why people don't speak up sooner...
Well
I see that now a LOT of people r speaking out aboot the guy...
So how does that happen?
There have been several experiments that show how conformist we are (we will actually lie aboot a fact if our group says otherwise) and how we react to authority.
These are very powerful things
Or like how someone like Kitty Genovese can get murdered, a process which took a while, all in the presence of a complex where people could hear and even see and most of them did nothing.

LA DI DAH!!!
Sort of like watching an out of control guy in office who we know will use a nuclear weapon and we just make jokes about him and think we're doing something to stop him.
 
Sort of like watching an out of control guy in office who we know will use a nuclear weapon and we just make jokes about him and think we're doing something to stop him.
Lol
Maybe not that dramatic
Conformity is good
We want people 2 conform most of the time
Helps keep things running smoothly
But like everything else there are times when it can go bad...
 
Well they are questioning him now, and I'm curious why it took so long, does it take on more credibility with more women coming forward from over the years he has been allowed to abuse more? Do we not see a woman's credibility if she is the only one abused?
Ghomeshi, Cosby, Dr. Luke, the case Robin Camp presided over, Lance Blanchard. What happened when women spoke out against them?
And those are the ones that are highly publicized.
Here's one that was a bit quieter: UBC delay on sex assault complaints 'making it easy for predators'
Many many more examples that don't make the news.

I would say it's way less about education and way more about what's actually done when women speak out.
 
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