New Pew study on religion

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chansen

Pleasant Enough
Just saying how would you know if they also now have a deep faith from a faith they were raised in, or not?
I'm literally saying that some of those who no longer have the faith they were raised in, are reflexively responding that they are still part of that faith because that's how they've always responded. I'm really struggling to see how these people, the ones who have lost faith, suddenly have deep faith again, just because you insist they do.
 

Mendalla

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I'm literally saying that some of those who no longer have the faith they were raised in, are reflexively responding that they are still part of that faith because that's how they've always responded. I'm really struggling to see how these people, the ones who have lost faith, suddenly have deep faith again, just because you insist they do.
I think her point is that not everyone who leaves organized religion has lost their faith. Sometimes, they have just lost their faith in organized religion but still believe in God, Jesus, etc. Like the example I gave of LGBTQ+ who leave the church because they are not accepted, but who still believe that's a failing of the church, not God, and might well join another church church someday if one that is welcoming to them turns up. They aren't identifying with their old faith reflexively, they still hold it. The faith has rejected them rather than them rejecting the faith.
 

unsafe

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This is just another sign of the end times which is has been prophesied -----there will be a great falling away from the Faith ----this has to happen according to scripture before the Anti Christ comes

Falling Away​

1 Timothy 4:1 ESV​

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

2 Timothy 4:3-4 ESV​

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching,
but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Hebrews 3:12 ESV----warning here​

Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.


2 Thessalonians 2:1-3--ERV​

Evil Things Will Happen​

2 Brothers and sisters, we have something to say about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We want to talk to you about that time when we will meet together with him.

2 Don’t let yourselves be easily upset or worried if you hear that the day of the Lord has already come. Someone might say that this idea came from us—in something the Spirit told us, or in something we said, or in a letter we wrote.

3 Don’t be fooled by anything they might say. That day of the Lord will not come until the turning away from God happens.
And that day will not come until the Man of Evil appears, the one who belongs to hell.[a]

Read full chapter
 

chansen

Pleasant Enough
This is just another sign of the end times which is has been prophesied -----there will be a great falling away from the Faith ----this has to happen according to scripture before the Anti Christ comes
But I'm like, right here.
 

jimkenney12

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I believe you are part of a long lineup. Trump, several evangelists, and many others seem eager to take on that role.
 

Mendalla

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I believe you are part of a long lineup. Trump, several evangelists, and many others seem eager to take on that role.
I'm sure you could find people making cases for Trudeau, The Pope, King Charles III, and Justin Bieber being on that long list, too. :ROFLMAO:
 

Delightful Life

M&M, Cascadian Lovers
I so love living in a place where a hooge section of the pop aren't atheist, agnostic, or none but have "no religion" :3


Ahh Douglas Todd is magical journalist :3

*reminisces fondly on Reginald Bibby referenced among is multiple times*

Tarry on, sentients!
 

Mendalla

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I so love living in a place where a hooge section of the pop aren't atheist, agnostic, or none but have "no religion" :3
Depends on what "no religion" means. I'll bet that if you ask the right questions, some actually have a religion, just not a religious community. The two get conflated.
 

Delightful Life

M&M, Cascadian Lovers
Depends on what "no religion" means. I'll bet that if you ask the right questions, some actually have a religion, just not a religious community. The two get conflated.
Yuppers
As always
It depends
Context
Questions
(Wish I could find that "ancien" survey that Douglas Todd "so long ago" wrote an article on. Made me feel special living in that place)
Also, possibility of not everything that some call Religion "is" religion. I have seen cases be made for such things as Islam and Judaism not to be religions...


Again, part of the multiple mutable nature of reality and the symbol sets and editing that we constrain it into (and, contained within each scientific datum and word, are embedded history and theories and power dynamics. Much fun!)

Ps. From what I can remember aboot the survey, it asked aboot what people identify as, and was rather extensive in its categories that included not only atheist, agnostic but also no religion. I think around a third of people here identified as no religion? Oi, too long ago (from the Beforetimes lol)
 
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Delightful Life

M&M, Cascadian Lovers
Awesome :3

Thereby showing how "religion" can be at the same time real in some sense and not real in some sense and even meaningless in some sense :3

Glad you are still here, chugging away :3
 

Nancy

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All organized religion seems to get painted with the same brush. I think it can be a positive thing...a community of people who work and grow together, who examine their faith, who seek to learn together and support one another. I've had my battles...don't get me wrong. But there have been too many positives to keep me away.
 

Luce NDs

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It is said the enemy is within us ... imagine that might be understanding in the midst of a stoic establishment ... and thus epi stem logical collapse as the logic fails us ... this happens ... unbeknownst to those entangled in economy alone as autonomously! Isolated thread of thinking?
 
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