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I took something like this as career development while I was working in the field, in addition to the more generalist social service worker education I went in with.

I'm pointing it out because looking back, some people conversed with me like I had no idea what I was talking about, even though I have legitimate experience, and training. I resent that behaviour. Not only were they incorrect, it was demeaning and confidence damaging. It happened a lot here, and impacted me. That goes back years.

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Not long after I left the areas I trained in, I was exposed to a constant barrage of criticism about how terrible an advocate I am, how systemic ableism doesn't really exist or isn't an important and persistent problem to identify and change; and how I don't even know about my own training, work and life experience. ("Karens and Kens") I've been beaten down over time, by the toxic environment here.

Life affirming community?

After I few years I became convinced that I would be useless to try again. Now that window of opportunity isn't even open.

Just an observation.
 
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ESTJs and INFPs are opposites. If the environment is strongly influenced by ESTJ types, it won't be good for INFPs. We are sensitive. That's who we are. And that's not a bad thing.

As my self esteem and confidence hit new lows so did my marriage and ability to stay strong through our challenges as they came up - and I lost my marriage - to my best friend, lost the place I called home (moved back to a place I swore I wouldn't move back to until I was much older), lost everything - and am just starting to get my confidence back except I originally left this city at 25, and the person who affected me that way in the first place - was the reason I started a new life somewhere else. It's too close for comfort, so it's more difficult to stay at arms length from the reasons I left. To get where I was is a lot further away now. It'll take more effort and energy and money. Another observation.
 
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Ivanka Trump and Augusto Pinochet are/ were reportedly ESTJ. One of the more positive ones - utilizing their traits positively (imo) is Michelle Obama.

John Lennon and Mr. (Carl) Rogers were reportedly INFP. One of the most negative ones - utilizing their traits negatively (imo) is John Kerry.

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Carolla said:
@Kimmio - I think you may be mischaracterizing dental hygienists in your post above - they are actually skilled health professionals IMO, not doing 'grunt work'. Some now have independent practices here in Ontario, not working for dentists at all.
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And it has been that way for some time. My mother's best friend's daughter (who is older than me) did dental hygiene back in the eighties and did well for herself at that time. That said, I haven't really heard anything since Mom died.
 
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I looked at that list of what one is supposed to “ hate”- honestly- show me the one person who loves those negative traits? ( just read all the others and tell me you like these)
 
Apparently, I am an ISFP-T. Some characteristics sound helpful, some don’t. We have had other personality tests at work, True colours being one of them. It did help some in understanding eachothers way of working. In the terms of not taking things too personally. It didn’t really help much in terms of improving the work ( the one that needs a challenge to do their best but has a lot of routine to do- well, the work still needs to be done, exept now we knew why she didn’t do a good job or tried to avoid to do it.).
 
I am a bit of a skeptic about these things but for reasons I shall explain. While I grant that MBTI and similar might be useful tools for self-discovery, they all too often become one more label that people use to prejudge and make assumptions about others. They become about identity rather than just finding out about yourself. So I am okay with them in their place, but I worry when I hear people saying "I am an WXYZ" or "You sound like an ABCD" and that sort of thing. There is no way an MBTI type should be your sole identity anymore than your religion, your marital status, your parental status, your gender identity, your sexual orientation, or whatever other labels you might carry.

Another one, BTW, is the Enneagram and it is part of what put me off The Liturgists podcast. There seemed to be this dichotomy happening where they would say "this is just a tool for self-discovery" on one hand but would then make statements like "I think he's acting like a real 6" and stuff that seemed to me to be getting into the problem I describe above.
 
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And it has been that way for some time. My mother's best friend's daughter (who is older than me) did dental hygiene back in the eighties and did well for herself at that time. That said, I haven't really heard anything since Mom died.
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Never heard of it out here. I don't have that frame of reference. Hygienists work for dentists' practices here, not their own.
 
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I am a bit of a skeptic about these things but for reasons I shall explain. While I grant that MBTI and similar might be useful tools for self-discovery, they all too often become one more label that people use to prejudge and make assumptions about others. They become about identity rather than just finding out about yourself. So I am okay with them in their place, but I worry when I hear people saying "I am an WXYZ" or "You sound like an ABCD" and that sort of thing. There is no way an MBTI type should be your sole identity anymore than your religion, your marital status, your parental status, your gender identity, your sexual orientation, or whatever other labels you might carry.

Another one, BTW, is the Enneagram and it is part of what put me off The Liturgists podcast. There seemed to be this dichotomy happening where they would say "this is just a tool for self-discovery" on one hand but would then make statements like "I think he's acting like a real 6" and stuff that seemed to me to be getting into the problem I describe above.
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What about, "You sound like a pessimist" Or, "You sound like pragmatist", or "You sound like an optimist"? We use labels for observed patterns of behaviour all the time.

The MBTI and the like are helpful in certain contexts - they are helpful for people looking for a new career or vocation - but shouldn't be used religiously.
 
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if I ever date again, I will ask the person what their MBTI is (there is more individual psychology to it - it's not a horoscope). If they grew up in North America and don't even know what it is - never had any self reflective tests like it applied to any area of their life (it being probably the most well known) - and aren't interested in learning about it, that means they don't like to self reflect so there's a good chance we won't get along. That would be a good early conversation to have.
 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
What about, "You sound like a pessimist" Or, "You sound like pragmatist", or "You sound like an optimist"? We use labels for observed patterns of behaviour all the time.

The MBTI and the like are helpful in certain contexts, but shouldn't be used religiously.
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Right, and those labels are often wrong or mis-applied. Also, those labels don't carry the weight that something like MBTI does. People know they are words that have rather broad definitions. MBTI types have research behind them and are fairly tightly defined so a certain segment take them more seriously and therefore they need to be used more rigorously, not as casual labels. I won't even label myself with something like MBTI or Enneagram out of certain contexts, let alone someone else.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
if I ever date again, I will ask the person what their MBTI is (there is more individual psychology to it - it's not a horoscope). If they grew up in North America and don't even know what it is - never had any self reflective tests like it applied to any area of their life (it being probably the most well known) - and aren't interested in learning about it, that means they don't like to self reflect so there's a good chance we won't get along. That would be a good early conversation to have.
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Or they know it's fairly pseudosciencey so they just don't care what their MBTI is.
 
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Or they know it's fairly pseudosciencey so they just don't care what their MBTI is.
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Self reflection can't be a hard science. If they're so pragmatic they're not interested in it - can't recognize it's a tool for self reflection and why that might be helpful or necessary - they're wasting my time.
 
MBTI is more comprehensive than the psychopathy checklist that's used in psychiatric diagnosis, and at least recognizes that everyone has traits that can be positive and negative no matter their type, and can thrive and be helpful when they are in the best suited environment.
 
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