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Mrs.Anteater

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We all make judgements all the time- we agree or disagree with what others say or do. We make alliances / friendships according to how much we think we match with what we think the other one thinks.
Following the discussion in the Polarisation thread, the following thought came to me:
Famous and/ or rich people have more influence on people’s opinions and/ or lives. They also are as fallible as every one of us unknown and un- rich people ( though wealth is relative if you look at it from a global perspective). As most people, they will put their money towards what they think is right, which can have huge impact on a lot of people.
Like: Belinda Gates thinks that overpopulation is the main culprit for the developing world , so she throws money at contraception ( lets assume she doesn’t have a material interest ,but a genuine wish to help). She is not the first one who has the attitude to know better than the people she is targeting. In fact, I dare say, humans have a tendency to act on what they think is best without asking. So, in that, she is like everybody else, except, she just has more impact.
Mother Theresa strikes me as someone who has the same problem , just from a religious point of view. She seemed to believe in pure charity. I give- you receive. I am the helper, you are the helped. Set roles very common in church congregations as well as helping professions.
Again, the outcome is only so significant, because of her being so well known and that attitude having such a large impact. Mrs. Smith, who volunteers for X congregation and has the same attitude only affects how Jonny D. feels, who is coming to the soup kitchen and has to show his appreciation and say the lords prayer before he gets it.
So, what I am getting at is that I see the difference only in the outcome, which is in fact a shame, because it could be so much better if people wouldn’t assume they always know what’s best ( but look at WC2- who doesn’t sit in the same boat?) - but not in the person them self.
Does having a greater outcome make a person” more guilty” than another? It certainly is a greater responsibility.

We all would wish that the pilot who flys the jumbo jet will not make a mistake, as small mistakes will have a bad outcome. But since we all make mistakes, it needs to be the circumstances that control that that doesn’t happen. ( co pilots, alcohol testing, training etc).
Maybe one can not compare “ making mistakes” to “ having an attitude/ opinion”. But this is an example of having a greater impact. The bus driver who ran into the Broncos bus comes to mind. Are we judging him harder, because he killed more innocent people than someone who “ just” runs over the 90 year old next door?
 
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I think it’s about, with regard to more famous and impactful and even oppressive to large numbers of others - we judge when they won’t “repent” of their mistakes, and keep on causing harm - even intently in many cases, because they don’t care beyond themselves. I think the reach of their impact does have a lot to do with it. It does carry more responsibility.

I’m personally not judging the bus driver harder. The driver was a regular person with no particular influencing power over the world before that happened, or even now. It was a bad accident. Running over the 90 yr old is also a bad accident. It ‘only’ killed one person, but it’s still sad. I would judge either driver harder if they felt no remorse and kept causing accidents.
 
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Northwind

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Thanks for this @Mrs.Anteater. This is an important thing to consider. I have a bunch of thoughts swirling around my head right now. My first is with the Humboldt driver. So many people saw him as evil. There is no doubt his actions caused a tragedy. There were likely so many things wrong that lead up to that event. I highly doubt he set out that day intending to harm anyone. Still, he did and his life has been changed forever.

I'm looking forward to seeing what others think.
 

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Famous negatives are better liked than notorious celebrities!

Thus everything goes down ... a biblical premise!
 

ChemGal

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I think I've posted before about not agreeing with outcomes dictating sentences. If someone drives drunk they could easily kill a bus full of people. That is a direct chosen action - to drive drunk.
Missing a stop sign in most cases is a mistake. Some people do purposely drive through stop signs, and that should be treated more harshly than someone who didn't do so purposely.
Why should the luck of what the outcomes are make the judgement different? If people are harmed or killed often times that is punishment of itself.
Intent matters.
 

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I think I've posted before about not agreeing with outcomes dictating sentences. If someone drives drunk they could easily kill a bus full of people. That is a direct chosen action - to drive drunk.
Missing a stop sign in most cases is a mistake. Some people do purposely drive through stop signs, and that should be treated more harshly than someone who didn't do so purposely.
Why should the luck of what the outcomes are make the judgement different? If people are harmed or killed often times that is punishment of itself.
Intent matters.

Imagine the content of tyrant's minds when encouraging conflict and war to improve the competition! Then they label it industrious ...
 

KayTheCurler

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I am too close to the Humboldt situation to be confidently fair. The semi driver wasn't driving with due care and attention. It seems according to some, that he was inadequately trained. That shouldn't happen! There does need to be a consequence for causing an accident - but locking someone up 'forever' doesn't seem to fix the problem. I'm tending to think we have too many driving offenses on the books - many of them could fall under the category of Without Due Care and Attention. Makes no difference to the innocent party whether the offender was daydreaming, talking on the phone or texting! The consequences for sending an inexperienced driver out alone should be HUGE!
 

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Yet dissociative disease about paying attention to details is lost to those wishing efficiency by cutting corners ... and unnecessary costs like informative education. It is best in some tyranny to tell them nothing ... and thus nothing but god evolves ... a hole in reality?

Consider that mental issues are as illusive as emotions ... blowing through like unseen winds!
 

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Meanwhile my younger generation members live with uncertainty and confusion. There remains a good chance that they will be handed a wee cheque for 'compensation' and the opportunity to live, unprotected by trees, at a busy highway intersection. Without the trees their property has almost no value at all. It will become basically unfit to live on and have no resale value at all! Such a huge consequence for innocent parties to pay for the carelessness of others.

Have changes been made to the actual intersection? No.
Have rumble strips been added as recommended? No.
Is there an adequate system in place for compensation? No.
Will demolishing a few trees make the intersection safer? No.

Are accidents still happening across the province, including at treeless intersections? Yes.
 

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Intellect, intelligence and wisdom are not well attended to by those preferring to do as their emotions steer them. Then them that have the BS they have it all in hand will set rules and laws for common folk while the lawmakers do as they will to circumvent ... as they also, don't know any bette Eire ... chance breezes?

Life is like that a blind opportunity ... for opportunists! The alternates are called negative processors ... enter the posit Ron ...

The TR may enter as Hertz or ħ and ħat's how its undone! Android lyres? Naked's tuff ... androgynous humus ... bon nieM?

NIEM may need some close observation considering the temptations blowing around in its oversight person ... none other than the captain & commander of all that's up for loss! Few understand ...
 
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