Euthanesia to be authorized in Canada for mentally handicapped

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Mystic

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Do the lives of people with mental health handicaps have intrinsic worth? In their depressed state are they capable of making a well-conceived decision about their euthanasia? Or might their inconvenienced caregivers quietly pressure them to make that decision? Is there a clear red line on this issue?

 
Not a new issue around here. I think most people here are not in favour of the current expansion of MAID, with Kimmio being particularly opposed since it also authorizes MAID for physical disabilities.

Personally, I was fine with the old law that kept it to terminally ill patients whose death was foreseeable. The expansion came due to a court ruling that should have been appealed rather than just enshrined in legislation.

(I have removed the @ mention of Kimmio and sent her an apology since she may not want to get into this issue again right now)
 
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Terminally ill, if they choose, for sure....not in favour of any other Maid services....but many may opt for it due to lack of support and supportive services.
 
It is supposed to be illegal to encourage people to choose MAiD. The government needs to enforce this law
 
Is enforcement a virtue ... givin all the head banging done to make the talking asses go the other way?
 
How to make people wish to think when knowledge is suppressed early on in the Good Book as ancient Tome that cannot be imporved or evolved due to BS we are impressed with ... as crock flies ... especially on dark and stormy nights! That condition with in the scully place ... once meant bard or bared as rye ... but not that well understood due to fixations! Piety?
 
It is supposed to be illegal to encourage people to choose MAiD. The government needs to enforce this law

They may say they are not encouraging, that they are merely letting people know it's an option. People in this position are vulnerable and will see it as encouragement to take MAID so if it's presented as an option it must be done very carefully. The most recent story was yesterday. An 86 year old woman with cancer had a very bad interaction with a health "professional". That professional was out of line in many ways. She felt the person was telling her to take MAID. Not cool
 
They may say they are not encouraging, that they are merely letting people know it's an option. People in this position are vulnerable and will see it as encouragement to take MAID so if it's presented as an option it must be done very carefully. The most recent story was yesterday. An 86 year old woman with cancer had a very bad interaction with a health "professional". That professional was out of line in many ways. She felt the person was telling her to take MAID. Not cool
Yes, and people need to take this to the colleges and put some pressure on the colleges to take action. Even if they aren't prosecuted for breaking the law, maybe putting their licenses in jeopardy will kick some sense into them.
 
They may say they are not encouraging, that they are merely letting people know it's an option. People in this position are vulnerable and will see it as encouragement to take MAID so if it's presented as an option it must be done very carefully. The most recent story was yesterday. An 86 year old woman with cancer had a very bad interaction with a health "professional". That professional was out of line in many ways. She felt the person was telling her to take MAID. Not cool
ANd then there is the added reality where supports are so lacking that people feel they have no other choice. Some anecdotal reports I have seen even suggest that proper palliative care is less of an option for some. MAID has its place as part of a robust support system so folk have real choices which will all be supported
 
But how do we determine whether people with mental health issues are mentally competent to choose euthanasia?
Is treatable depression or the feeling that one is not valued ever a legitimate reason to make this fatal choice?
 
Yes, and people need to take this to the colleges and put some pressure on the colleges to take action. Even if they aren't prosecuted for breaking the law, maybe putting their licenses in jeopardy will kick some sense into them.

Sadly the woman I met yesterday won't complain for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is she doesn't have the energy. She's also afraid of the possible repercussions.

ANd then there is the added reality where supports are so lacking that people feel they have no other choice. Some anecdotal reports I have seen even suggest that proper palliative care is less of an option for some. MAID has its place as part of a robust support system so folk have real choices which will all be supported

And that's a big problem for many groups isn't it. Not enough good palliative care, not good supports for people with disabilities, etc. That's wrong. MAID should never be a more economical option.

But how do we determine whether people with mental health issues are mentally competent to choose euthanasia?

There are ways to do that. Of course it can be a real challenge in many cases. It's sure not easy.

Is treatable depression or the feeling that one is not valued ever a legitimate reason to make this fatal choice?

I would hope not. At the same time, do we find a way to respect the person's choice/decision? That is, if they don't want our support of course.
 
We aren't wise enough
And our country definitely doesn't have the right incentives or culture

How long do we have till our oceans are too warm?

How much longer can Canada continue with rising prices and trouble with housing?
 
Is the Netherlands practice of euthanizing otherwise healthy autistic people what's next for Canadian policy?

Fox news- seriously?

There is also a difference between intellectual disability and mental illness. Just saying.
 
Given the prevailing conditions of someone being boss ... whats the chance of euth in Asia instead of old dragons?

There is always someone that will want to abscond with your freedom of choice of being a child in heaven and messing around with everything ... everything being as indeterminate as God in self!

Thus self limiting nature of reality does contain the Hole thing as 'Elan as a dark vacancy sucking up whatever is out there ... followed by Sami! I'm told Smai folk do not exist and thus I am not what you believe because of decrees made by a UCC Adeministrative Churchman and other denominational edifice forming boundry layer conditions ...

A hot ocean is excellent for high temperature composting and suvival of bacterium that survive in hostile environments created by trumpists, maybe Thomastist that blow whistles that are never heard ... recall in reciprocation we live in a domain dedicated to primal BS of knowing not ... thus we don't because of deficiencies in unspeakable distinctions ... a distant glow in the dark as shimmer or chimerii! Çhe Lelah ... its that little hanging thing that gets eM as a participle in fullness! May be driven by acryle chondreal (aChe) matter that generates stiffs ... medical opinion of a failed healer! Great mendicity ... undertakers sometimes have difficulty making them relax ... the Job at the end?
 
Fox news- seriously?

There is also a difference between intellectual disability and mental illness. Just saying.

What if a person doesn't know the ups and downs of things like this in abstract space that is mysterious by nature of the great curve in what was believed to be straight line?

A psychiatrist I once did some consulting for told me that one could not live forever with mentally deficient folks or you would lose it! Thus departure from what we held dear as normal ... when that item is capriciously odd ... like a robin bouncing for worms ...

That vision may be a long shot in space that many cannot see with their head down ... Robin Williams laid rye in a park one night looking up ... thus the enigma of looking down and reading messages underfoot ... subtle? Angels fall for and get all inky to a point ... getting re labeled as gnomes ... those apprenticing as publishers! So the story goes ... how? We don't know because of the dilike for literacy and its devices ...

Imagine gravid attraction deforming lighter intellect and information ... the norm? Things never observed so mortals cannot mess with them ... gravitas to the core ... that's the word ... fertile for expansion! Thus O'ζ, or OΣ, maybe OE drifting off in Oz'm nature ...
 
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It is horrendous to even think about killing off mentally ill or mentally handicapped people people rather than support them. Likewise it is horrendous to prefer murdering disabled people instead of supplying them with supported housing etc.. The thought of our medical system doing this makes me shudder.
 
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