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Yes, and the second question comes up- should a little employee lose her job and her dog ( for heaven’s sake, were they worried that she would make him a racist?) over it despite apologies, while another white guy can talk about grabbing pussies and makes racist politics for several years without ever apologizing and without any consequences for his job.
This woman needed education, a learning opportunity or maybe a shrink to deal with her fears. The real dangerous racism is the one when you can’t see the fear behind it.
Problem is, some police are gun happy, unfortunately her calling them potentially risked this black mans life.
 

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Problem is, some police are gun happy, unfortunately her calling them potentially risked this black mans life.
Yes, and thats good that he taped the incident. But her losing her job doesn’t solve the problem of police getting away with murder, and presidents being intentionally racist.
 
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I think she should face consequences. Her employer doesn't want to be associated with racist behaviour and no doubt her presence might affect the climate and morale in the workplace because there are probably non white people employed there. If such a video surfaced during the hiring process she might not have been hired in the first place. She needs a time out to reform her attitude and hopefully she will be given another chance somewhere else. She's an educated white woman from Canada who managed to find an adequate job in New York. She'll be okay.

As for her dog, I think she had it taken away because of the way she was treating the dog, dragging it around by its neck/ collar. Poor dog had nothing to do with any of it.
 
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Yes, and thats good that he taped the incident. But her losing her job doesn’t solve the problem of police getting away with murder, and presidents being intentionally racist.
Actually i think it sends a strong message that doesnt rely on a sometimes biased court system.
 
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And because of the negative attention the employer had to respond. If they didn't fire her they'd look like they supported her behaviour, and could easily face big push back.
 

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I was less than thrilled at how she manhandled her poor dog, when it clearly wasn't the dog's fault.

I read one analysis that suggested that she could be charged with attempted murder, for maliciously exposing an innocent black man to the police department.
 

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Netflix has a series called 100 humans. Episode 4 is about biases.
They have 100 volunteers from different back grounds and age and do different experiments with them. In this episode, they give the test person a gun and tell them to shoot at the person who has a gun in their hand but not the one with the cell phone. They have two people pop up at the same time from behind a cover, one with a cell phone in their hand and one with a gun. Anybody surprised that the darker skinned person gets shot at more often than the white person? It also didn’t matter that the dark skinned person they used was known and liked by the shooters. In that moment, they didn’t even recognize him. Worth watching ( though I would not go as far as saying it is truly 100% scientific), the other bias experiments are interesting, too.
 

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Fear has a bias to it as it divines the gods into emotions and intellectual realms ... either side of that Black Spot! What a hole to be in ...
 
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Yes, and the second question comes up- should a little employee lose her job and her dog ( for heaven’s sake, were they worried that she would make him a racist?) over it despite apologies, while another white guy can talk about grabbing pussies and makes racist politics for several years without ever apologizing and without any consequences for his job.
This woman needed education, a learning opportunity or maybe a shrink to deal with her fears. The real dangerous racism is the one when you can’t see the fear behind it.
She wasn’t a little employee. It turns out, she was an executive. She was Vice President and Head of Investment Solutions at Franklin Templeton Investments - a Fortune 500 firm.
 

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It's interesting that not much (anything?) is being mentioned about the racist killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. It's gut wrenching.

A friend posted this thoughtful blog about we 'white women' just don't get it sometimes. Worth a read & some reflection IMO. I like the list of resources in the edits at the end of the blog. 5 Racist Anti-Racism Responses “Good” White Women Give to Viral Posts — KatyKatiKate
Excellent article.....especially like the part if we're not sure what to do.....donate to certain charities that will help stop this racism.
 
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I only came across this news story accidentally, as well as reading about the shooting of Ahmaud Arbery. I saw a headline with George Floyd’s name - I think it was comparing police presence at a protest for George Floyd with the police presence for a crowd of mainly white people protesting about covid (guess which crowd police took a more threatening stance with?) - but had not yet read about what happened to George Floyd. I must admit, I have barely been reading any news that isn't connected with covid somehow. Covid is taking up a lot of headspace.
 
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She wasn’t a little employee. It turns out, she was an executive. She was Vice President and Head of Investment Solutions at Franklin Templeton Investments - a Fortune 500 firm.
That puts a different spin on it, to be sure. For one thing, you can't argue she's uneducated or ignorant. You generally need a degree in business administration or commerce or similar to rise that high in that world.

t's interesting that not much (anything?) is being mentioned about the racist killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. It's gut wrenching.
I don't know. I've seen quite a bit on the news sources I follow on Twitter (CBC, Global via a local radio station they own, BBC, CNN). It's deja vu all over again, though, isn't it? Yet another case of cops overstepping use of force on a Black person with the expected outcome. How many times do we need to go over this ground again before people get a clue?
 

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That puts a different spin on it, to be sure. For one thing, you can't argue she's uneducated or ignorant. You generally need a degree in business administration or commerce or similar to rise that high in that world.
I don't think education or non education makes any difference.....just shows anyone could be capable of being a racist.
 
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That puts a different spin on it, to be sure. For one thing, you can't argue she's uneducated or ignorant. You generally need a degree in business administration or commerce or similar to rise that high in that world.



I don't know. I've seen quite a bit on the news sources I follow on Twitter (CBC, Global via a local radio station they own, BBC, CNN). It's deja vu all over again, though, isn't it? Yet another case of cops overstepping use of force on a Black person with the expected outcome. How many times do we need to go over this ground again before people get a clue?
I think you can argue that she’s ignorant, even if she’s educated. It has nothing to do with her level of education, it’s about engrained white supremacist attitude that all white people have to varying degrees. All of us who are white people..racism lurks within and among us all.

It does show that she enjoys a fairly high level of privilege, she’s not some poor young employee who lost her job for a wee little misunderstanding. She understood what she was doing and was ignorant to the idea that she’s not entitled to behave that way...that she was the one endangering Christian Cooper’s life.
 
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It's interesting that not much (anything?) is being mentioned about the racist killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis. It's gut wrenching.

A friend posted this thoughtful blog about we 'white women' just don't get it sometimes. Worth a read & some reflection IMO. I like the list of resources in the edits at the end of the blog. 5 Racist Anti-Racism Responses “Good” White Women Give to Viral Posts — KatyKatiKate
Good article.

Damn, and didn't I make a statement about the dog. o_O
 

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I think you can argue that she’s ignorant, even if she’s educated. It has nothing to do with her level of education, it’s about engrained white supremacist attitude that all white people have to varying degrees. All of us who are white people..racism lurks within and among us all.

It does show that she enjoys a fairly high level of privilege, she’s not some poor young employee who lost her job for a wee little misunderstanding. She understood what she was doing and was ignorant to the idea that she’s not entitled to behave that way...that she was the one endangering Christian Cooper’s life.
And cops are educated, judges are educated, etc., etc., etc..........and sometimes it's those who have no or less education that respond well.
 
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