Did Jesus Have an Ego?

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Interesting Article on Ego and God's use of numbers ----thought I would post it -----food for thought -----


https://www.calvaryccm.com/devotions/8-9-14/did-jesus-have-an-ego



Did Jesus Have an Ego?

Years ago, I read an article in which the writer speculated that Jesus had no ego because His focus was primarily upon the Father and secondarily upon others, but not upon Himself. From time to time, I’ve contemplated that proposition and wondered about the truth of it. I’ve come to the conclusion that because Jesus came to Earth as a man, He did have an ego, as all men do, but that He willingly surrendered it to the Father as He willingly surrendered His life for the benefit of others; i.e. us.
People generally think of "ego" as an inflated feeling of pride in oneself, and it’s true that is one meaning. However, "ego" is also thought of as the part of us that experiences and reacts to the outside world. And both these meanings are impactful to a Christian; that is, excessive pride and connection to the world.

When we look at Jesus’ 40 days and nights in the desert, we see that Satan tries to tempt Jesus via His ego. In other words, Satan wants Jesus to embrace His ego, rather than surrender it to the Father. I believe this passage of Scripture is a picture of the Christ follower’s life-long struggle with ego, pride, and worldliness. In Scripture the number 40 is very symbolic. Noah’s flood involved 40 days and nights of rain. For 40 years the children of Israel wandered in the desert. Moses was in Egypt for 40 years, in Midian for 40 years, and then in the desert for 40 years. Solomon reigned for 40 years. These are just a few of many, even hundreds, of examples.

Most Bible students feel that 40 represents a time of trial and testing, which it clearly does. But also consider this: the average gestational period of a baby in the womb is 40 weeks, and with God nothing is coincidence (Proverbs 16:33). It seems then, as if the number 40 – a time of trial, remember – represents on a grand scale, the trials of our physical lives as a whole.
So what does this have to do with Jesus’ ego? We will see that in Satan’s three temptations of Christ, and His response, a way that we also can sublimate and surrender our own ego and thus draw closer to God.

In the first temptation, in Matthew 4:3-4, we see Satan tempting Jesus to turn stones into bread. Jesus refuses, quoting Deuteronomy 8:3: "…man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD." Bread represents the physical existence and Jesus denies it completely; showing that real truth lies in the spiritual realm with God beyond the physical experiences of the world. Jesus here controls His emotions and desires, which are the things that anchor us to the physical world.

Then Satan, in the second temptation (Matthew 4:5-7), tells Jesus to prove that He is the Son of God by casting Himself off the highest pinnacle of the temple; allowing Himself to be caught by angels. In response, Jesus again quotes from Deuteronomy, which says, "Do not put the LORD your God to the test…" (Deuteronomy 6:16). Here Jesus humbles Himself by continuing to surrender His ego and submitting Himself completely to God. Similarly, regardless of how we may judge ourselves in comparison to others, humility and submission are important keys. Jesus had nothing to prove, and neither do we.

In the final temptation recorded in Matthew 4:8-10, Satan takes Jesus to the highest mountain and offers Him all the kingdoms of the world if He will fall down and worship him. And once again, Jesus quotes from Deuteronomy 6:13, which says, "Fear the LORD your God, serve him only…" Here, Jesus shows Himself as completely submissive by rejecting every glorious thing and all the power that the world has to offer. The takeaway for us now is to remember at all times that we are merely pilgrims on this earth; seeking a heavenly Kingdom. It is also well worth noting that during this time, Jesus was involved in some pretty serious fasting, prayer, and contemplation. It is also worth noting that after Satan’s three temptations fail, he flees.

Jesus’ experiences here allow us to see the ego for what it really is; how it attaches us to the world and all it offers. It produces negative desires and emotions that we need to control and conquer. The ego is driven by our sin nature, and this is what we must overcome as Jesus did. He showed us how to do it: through fasting, prayer, and complete submission to God. We have absolutely nothing to prove to the world or anyone in it. We are established, anointed, and sealed by God (2 Corinthians 1:21-22), children of God and co-heirs with Christ (Romans 8:17).

Read: Jonah 3:4, Hebrews 4:15

Love this last line for it is so true and Powerful ------We have absolutely nothing to prove to the world or anyone in it. We are established, anointed, and sealed by God, children of God and co-heirs with Christ
 
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Jesus had extraverted sensing as his supporting cognitive function. He was very aware of his outer environment. Guess that means he had an ego. He was fully human.

I'm pretty sure he had introverted feeling...alas, that's probably my ego talking. ;)
 
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On another thread, somebody suggested most of us want to think of Jesus just like us or the way we want him to be.
Which is a big part of why I believe teh various quests to identify the "historical Jesus" are a fool's errand.
 

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The Bible does not use the words ego --id and superego but it does address the flesh ---self and conscience -----this is intresting from -----http://www.gotquestions.org/psychoanalytic-theory.html

What is psychoanalytic theory, and is it biblical?

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Given the number of times Jesus is reported to have used the word "I" it would be awkward to suggest that Jesus didn't have an ego.

It might be more accurate to suggest that Jesus had less of a problem with ego than we do.

Ego contains reason and common sense. Was Jesus unreasonable? Does Jesus deny the impact of external influences? I don't think so. Ergo, Jesus possessed ego.

Ego also concerns itself with safety. On at least one occasion when a crowd tried to kill him Jesus manages to escape. He asks for another way in the garden. Both activities are appeals to safety and suggest the presence of ego.

Jesus having an ego is not a problem.

Unless you fear psychology, then it very much becomes a problem.

Ego isn't mentioned in the Bible for pretty much the same reason there is no recipe for French Toast in the Bible. The Bible is not a psychology text or cook book.
 

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Rev John,
I disagree ... I believe the bible to be the foremost information on the human mind and chaos that causes Eire in the human soul ... or the holy flaw! Biblical authorities in their ideal of not knowing don't believe in chaos ... so they can't see much of the mind as it is ... totally confused with the crap fed to us by authorities on things in which they don't really believe.

But there are those on the other side of this baffling wall that separates weird feelings (emotions) from intelligence, knowledge, thought and wisdom. Thus the schism in the two halves of psyche ... the combining or alloying (-ite) of thought with care ... something urged against in the bible as a test for the human rift of balanced sense ... since the gods of some past time stated that it was best if the population knew nothing ... and thus the god of wisdom recessed (as Muses/Moses when facing the god of truth ... logic ... or what was known in Greece as Psyche). Romans did not believe this as felt they should do what they wished autonomously. Does this remind you of powerful personalities today that are separated from the real self?

When in Rome do as the Romans do and appear as confused ... which can be fun to disturb their hidden senses into awareness that something is not right ... obviously they are fooled into thinking that all is right with god ... which may be god's greatest RIFF 'd in spatial dimensions causing separation of the understanding of awareness of self (self-ego) vs. the superego that is beyond normal self-ego. A very large awareness is like a cosmological ego ... which fits Jesus ego better ... he having an ego that drew him away from the self-centred version as a drew-ID ... the primal point of where things Eris in chaos ... chaos being where we live as portions of the Maas 've Called Ron that flows ... and where we need a dunk'n to give us a taste of chaos after a time in perfect harmony. This eases the need for massive change that some accustomed to extreme order just can't see as they rip the cover-up away from it.

This may be myth to you though as I believe in the domain of psyche although may religious sorts don't believe in knowledge, thought, wisdom or the organ thereof .. which manifests (research that word) as something that isn't ... and ther must be beyond us, or truly out there! Borderline facetiae? It may not be as it appears ...

The paradox is the definition of ID, Ego, Superego and confusion with reflection, mental echoes, and emotional stirs contained within that strange area (Aria) called the human psyche in the midst of a crying song ... or things we do not hear ... like those wispers in the abstract form ... the Shadow calls ... so now I must go in great humor ... as those that don't believe in untangibles believe me to be crazy! Who is crazier ... those that misunderstand or the source of things unknown? Is such a person like a tome, or a closed tomb ... both carrying dead information on things passed? They both appear to me like a closed book of great curiosity ... like the bible that says to question all things ... and many Christians won't go there ... now which is number or numinous ... that cunning ID within? The stuff you don't know about your share of IÐ ... a strange Romantic Icon of things lost ... like the sense of X-Pan sieve apocalypse ... old term of awareness ... that some describe as if I lost IT ... when the truth is reciprocal ... or otherwise invert form ... still a bit green under the ears!

It is like the man falling on Ba Nanna's kin ... he just couldn't see complexity in chaos ... the place we presently live ... and people get great a' muse-ment out of another's pain ... leading to an assumption that there has to be another side tuit ... but I really don't know ... according to religious law! Yet I have this spark internalized as "X" or "chi" if you can comprehend that transduction ...
 

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Can you imagine the confusion caused by the 3 part mind compiled as I, Me and ewe ... the sheepish charater?
 

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I find it interesting to learn about what he might have been like. Maybe he was/is a bit like each of us.
He was a bit like each of us in that he was human, tempted, could of become ill, and suffered. He was like us in that he would have known happiness, sorrow, anger, and desire. He was like us in that he was a social being and thus driven into community with others.
 

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Why he fell out of heaven ... the domain of nowhere? Tis a Utopian concept ... for those wishing to depart here and now ... some choose Easter as a good time to rise up and leave ... consider grass leaving the roots ... the source of sapience ... human sapient?
 

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There is a Greek word for ego ----its roots come from the latin -----

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Root Meaning In English Origin Language Etymology (Root Origin)
ego- self, I (first person) Latin, Greek ego, ἐγώ

Greek and Latin Roots: -ego-The Latin root -ego- means I or self.

egoeimi (AncientGreek: ἐγώ εἰμί [èɡɔ̌ː èːmí]) "I am", "I exist", is the first person singular present tense of the verb "to be" in ancientGreek. The use of this phrase in some of the uses found in the Gospel of John is given theological significance by many Christians.

John 5:31---If I alone bear witness about myself, my testimony is not deemed true.

I-- here is -----1473. egó

Strong's Concordance
egó: I (only expressed when emphatic) Original Word:ἐγώ
Part of Speech:personal Pronoun
Transliteration:egó
Phonetic Spelling:(eg-o')
Short Definition:I
Definition:I, the first-person pronoun.

This is just my view ------


Laying down ego -----one who surrenders I live for me ------to ---I live for Christ who lives in Me

Galatians 2:20Amplified Bible (AMP)

20 I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

Once we have accepted Christ we still struggle as Paul has presented in this scripture ----- in my opinion his struggle is with the Id part of us -----His Spirit has been made Perfect in Christ ---

The id is the part of the human personality that is made up of all our inborn biological urges that seeks out immediate gratification (guided by the Pleasure Principle), regardless of social values or consequences.

Read more:http://www.alleydog.com/glossary/definition.php?term=Id#ixzz3W4DoB8kP

Is Paul now struggling with the id part of himself ?-----his soul ---mind --will and emotions -----His Spirit is perfect in Christ --he is infact a new creation in Christ but still struggles ------

Romans 7GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

God’s Standards Are at War with Sin’s Standards

14 I know that God’s standards in Moses’ Teachings are spiritual, but I have a corrupt nature, sold as a slave to sin.15 I don’t realize what I’m doing. I don’t do what I want to do. Instead, I do what I hate.16 I don’t do what I want to do, but I agree that God’s standards are good.17 So I am no longer the one who is doing the things I hate, but sin that lives in me is doing them.

18 I know that nothing good lives in me; that is, nothing good lives in my corrupt nature. Although I have the desire to do what is right, I don’t do it.19 I don’t do the good I want to do. Instead, I do the evil that I don’t want to do.20 Now, when I do what I don’t want to do, I am no longer the one who is doing it. Sin that lives in me is doing it.

21 So I’ve discovered this truth: Evil is present with me even when I want to do what God’s standards say is good.22 I take pleasure in God’s standards in my inner being.23 However, I see a different standardat workthroughout my body. It is at war with the standards my mind sets and tries to take me captive to sin’s standards which still exist throughout my body.24 What a miserable person I am! Who will rescue me from my dying body?25 I thank God that our Lord Jesus Christ rescues me! So I am obedient to God’s standards with my mind, but I am obedient to sin’s standards with my corrupt nature.


In My opinion after accepting Christ if we do not renew our soul to God's ways we will continue to struggle ---God's Grace will work to help us change our worldly ego and id unto a Super-ego -----Mature in our walk with Christ

Freud said the ego is often caught in a struggle between the id and super-ego, which pull in opposite directions. This is commonly symbolized by a devil on one shoulder, an angel on the other shoulder, each speaking into a different ear.

So the Super-ego once it knows both sides -----that is the world's way of how the id works in this world and how it works in God's Kingdom by us reading God's word can be the mediator -----

The super-ego aims for perfection ---The super-ego works in contradiction to the id. The super-ego strives to act in a socially appropriate manner, whereas the id just wants instant self-gratification. The super-ego controls our sense of right and wrong and guilt. It helps us fit into society here on earth and also helps us to follow God's ways by getting us to act in acceptable ways.

Without God and His Grace to give us His power to get to the Super-ego in my opinion we will struggle in our Spiritual walk even when we have renewed our Spirit as our id will still have the control ------The struggle is in the mind and that is our real battle and if we don't read God's word to know how to change the id we will only continue to know what we have been taught by people in this world .

This is why God in my opinion says -----

Romans 12New King James Version (NKJV)

Living Sacrifices to God

12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God,which isyour reasonable service.2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove whatisthat good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

Happy Easter to all ---
 

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Did Jesus have an ego?

Of course he did! After all, he was both human and divine. Being human, he had an ego. Being divine, he overcame his ego.

And so are we, both human and divine. If only we knew, eh?:)

Being human we are egocentric, being divine we can overcome our egocentricity and think and act on behalf of the divine whole.

Easter, to my mind, is symbolic of the death of the ego and an awakening to our divine self.
 

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Then the Ξ in Greek was once known as "chi" or the eastern version of inner fire sometimes displaced as "X" as something not to cross or you could burn your don Kies ... hole KISS in ancient Celt or Erse! Not a language that is well known! Those that fool around with the understanding ... could thus be confused ... just accept it humans are confused by rite of not knowing! This is "bo" in Hebrew ... when a burning chaos ... you can express it as bo-ish ... and such images can light up a knight! From this a pot-belle-ID stove was discerned ...

The power of mind works in quirky ways ... we could call that Q ... but perhaps not ... as it would generate a mystery or myth for those that swear they know different!
 
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