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So it is an option then?

Rita, go to a hospital. Look at the staff people. And you could have gone to same hospital pre-COVID, and seen many of the same things.

Health care workers are infectious disease specialists. They deal with a variety of them, day and day out, year in and year out. They don't want to get sick; they don't want you to get sick with something you don't already have. They routinely make use of a variety of PPE.

You and a bunch of others are making mountains out of molehills. No-one will force you to get a vaccine. They haven't done it with flu shots, not likely with another changing/morphing type disease. People will ask you to cover your face with cloth if you're indoors and can't physically distance. Even then, send someone else. Order on-line. You have options. This whole line of argument is largely just argument for the sake of argument. And over such triviality as a simple face covering, in limited circumstances, for very limited times.
 
The Brits now have 6000 new cases a day. I suggest anybody declaring their freedom to wear a mask or not gets to help out in the hospitals, like as an orderly or the ones that move the garbage around especially on ICU. With the option of wearing a mask or not. I’d give it one shift until they change their mind. They might even decideto wash their hands and use gloves....

Note: infohazard detected. Engaging humour memeplex to 5 Vonneguts

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I look at their daily deaths...via chart

The curve is very near the x axis and has been for months now (it peaked this May and went down steeply)...yet all I read or hear on the news is number of cases increasing...oh media, you scamps! Still trying to terrify :3 Can't keep up anymore

What have they been doing right?

Is King Arthur back in Englandz time of need?

Will Boudeccia b not far behind?

This is too complicated. Well, back 2 my duplo blox :3

#MutualAid
#BeNotAfraid
#SystemicWhimsey
#JoyPrivilege

#TheMeanoftheEndJustified
 
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I could say the same about you and a bunch of others.

Except that I don't think that masks and handwashing are "mountains". Should have been more hand-washing to start with. People in Eastern countries have been wearing masks out of consideration for other's health for a long time; we're just a bit more selfish and individually (vs collectively) focussed in the West.
 
We have 10 provinces and 3 territories; you will notice that they are taking a variety of approaches.

99.9% of the time, there's no gun, no enforcement. We have a "don't enter without a mask" policy, but the policy underneath that is, "if they say they're medically exempt, shut up and let 'em go"...
 
but the policy underneath that is, "if they say they're medically exempt, shut up and let 'em go"...

Interestingly enough, a regular, a younger woman (late 20s/early 30s), who seemed very healthy, who always flounced in with a "medical exemption" statement has been seen wearing a mask since the day she was in line behind the masked elderly woman with her oxygen canister. That's the sort of persuasion that works really well, with no words necessary. (Now, she still has her nose hanging out one half the time, but it's a marginal improvement, and as the FB meme says, "we now understand how contraception fails...)
 
I almost think you can identify the adults with ADHD that way.
The primary 'treatment' for ADHD is prescription medication – primarily Adderall and Ritalin – highly addictive and popular drugs of abuse - perhaps a whole new market due to the inability of some to properly adjust to ritual masking.
 
I don't think masks and handwashing are mountains either ... so why the enforcement at the point of a gun?

Enforcement at the point of a gun? Where exactly. Your hyperbolic arguments really aren't helpful or effective.
 
Table 1. Parameter Values that vary among the five COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios. The scenarios are intended to advance public health preparedness and planning. They are not predictions or estimates of the expected impact of COVID-19. The parameter values in each scenario will be updated and augmented over time, as we learn more about the epidemiology of COVID-19. Additional parameter values might be added in the future (e.g., population density, household transmission, and/or race and ethnicity).
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ParameterScenario 1Scenario 2Scenario 3Scenario 4Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate
R0*2.04.02.5
Infection Fatality Ratio†0-19 years: 0.00002
20-49 years: 0.00007
50-69 years: 0.0025
70+ years: 0.028
0-19 years: 0.0001
20-49 years: 0.0003
50-69 years: 0.010
70+ years: 0.093
0-19 years: 0.00003
20-49 years: 0.0002
50-69 years: 0.005
70+ years: 0.054
 
This is one that I don't expect to stay true as we learn more.
To me, logically it just doesn't make sense based on what we see with flu, cold, etc. viruses.
I believe overall kids likely have less virus in them - smaller bodies. It also seems reasonable that those with mild/asymptomatic forms of the illness usually have less virus they spew to infect others. Kids also tend to have smaller lung capacities so less aerosals overall, and they likely don't travel as far.
So if you want to take an adult very sick with COVID-19 and a child not very sick with it and purposely try to infect as many as possible, yes, I think the adult would infect more. Based on typical behaviour though, where people act in ways not to purposely get people sick, I think children could be a greater risk, barring things like intubation of the adult which is quite risky. Plus again, the logic follows with other viruses.

It would be really nice if kids are ineffective spreads, but I am concerned about super spreading events connected to schools.
I wonder how much health officials will mention the study in India after the earlier one was referred to quite a bit?

The information about how it was spread within India does seem to match this well -

I don't want us to back off on the forward tracing, but the emphasis on back tracing does make sense. I'm not certain how that can be better achieved than what's happening now without privacy violations. The current app is moreso forward tracing. The more places people go, the harder it is to do either form of tracing.
 
Enforcement at the point of a gun? Where exactly. Your hyperbolic arguments really aren't helpful or effective.
Australia for one.

A three-part plan to eliminate COVID-19
We need capacity, funding and systems to deliver to vaccinate people
Bill Gates
September 30, 2020 05:00

Then there is another scenario that approximates what is happening now: 50 rich countries get the first two billion doses of vaccine. In this scenario, the virus continues to spread unchecked for four months in three quarters of the world. And almost twice as many people die.

This would be a huge moral failing. A vaccine can make COVID-19 a preventable disease, and no one should die from a preventable disease simply because the country they live in cannot afford to secure a manufacturing deal. But you do not even have to care about fairness to see the problem with the "rich-country-only" scenario.

In this scenario, we would all become like Australia and New Zealand. Both have gone long stretches with very few cases inside their borders, but their economies remain depressed because their trading partners are on lockdown. And occasionally, a new carrier of the virus makes his way across the South Pacific, creating new clusters of the disease. Those clusters grow and spread. Schools and offices are shut down again.

Even with an oversupply of vaccine, wealthy nations risk re-infection in this way because not everybody will choose to be vaccinated. The only way to eliminate the threat of this disease somewhere is to eliminate it everywhere.

The best way to close this vaccine gap is not by shaming rich countries. They are doing something perfectly understandable -- trying to protect their people. Instead, we need to vastly increase the world's vaccine manufacturing capacity. This way, we can cover everyone no matter where they live.

 
Guess we will just have to wait for the technocrats to duke it out ...

Elon Musk said the coronavirus lockdown diminished his faith in humanity.

To emphasize the supposed ridiculousness of the quarantines, Musk boasted that SpaceX “didn’t skip a day” throughout the entire pandemic. “We had national security clearance because we were doing national security work,” he said. “We sent astronauts to the Space Station and back.”


Later on, the automotive mogul addressed Bill Gates’ criticisms of his skepticism toward the coronavirus, which Musk called “dumb” in March. During a CNBC interview in July, the Microsoft founder claimed that Musk didn’t know much about vaccines and said he hoped that the SpaceX head “doesn’t confuse areas he’s not involved in too much.”


“Gates said something about me not knowing what I was doing,” Musk told Swisher. “It’s like, ‘Hey, knucklehead, we actually make the vaccine machines for CureVac, that company you’re invested in.'” He was referring to the fact that Tesla manufactures equipment for the German biopharmaceutical firm CureVac.


This past July, the car magnate shaded Gates with a series of cryptic tweets that read, “Billy G is not my lover” and “The rumor that Bill Gates & I are lovers is completely untrue.”
 
How about Jeff ... think he wants the lockdowns to end?

as “Amazon’s US sales have spiked” due to national self-quarantine.

Indeed: Online grocery shopping doubled by mid-March, according to Bloomberg, and overall online shopping soared 25 percent. We are in a retail and restaurant apocalypse, and when we emerge from this pandemic, we will be living in the United States of Amazon. No one will profit like Jeff Bezos.

Bezos already made headlines for becoming even richer, adding $3.4 billion to his $117 billion net worth after dumping stocks just before the crisis exploded — installing him in a rogues’ gallery of pandemic profiteers that includes Bill Ackman and Carl Icahn.

Other headlines as his serfs strike: Bezos got his space company Blue Origin deemed an “essential service.” He spent $165 million for a Beverly Hills estate belonging to David Geffen — himself the target of biblical wrath for posting an aerial sunset photo of his yacht, from his yacht.
 
The coronavirus pandemic is already being predicted to be responsible for 20 million US job losses and, with trillions wiped off global stocks resulting in more than 35 percent market declines, it is getting hard to stay positive.


But remember: everything comes in cycles, and when things get tough and the beacons of hope seem few and far between, there are always a few great leaders out there we can trust, and they don’t get much better than Warren Buffett.


Mr. Buffett, who is 90 in August, has seen more than the majority of investors, and that’s why The Edge (who source under-performing companies for activist involvement, Special Situations and Spinoffs) believes investors should take a leaf out of Warren’s playbook: keep calm and find value from the wreckage.
 
While the coronavirus outbreak has caused significant economic damage for many industries, Facebook experienced a boost in revenue during the first part of 2020. The company reported $17.7 billion in first-quarter revenue, compared to $15.1 billion during the same quarter in 2019. The company's profit sits at $4.9 billion, the Post noted.

“While there are massive societal costs from the current shelter in place restrictions, I worry that reopening certain places too quickly, before infection rates have been reduced to very minimal levels, will almost guarantee future outbreaks and even worse economic outcomes,” Zuckerberg said during a call in which Facebook reported an 18 percent increase in first-quarter revenue, according to The Washington Post.
 
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