Concerning Anger Matt. 5:21-26

[jimkenney12]

This passage was used in the service I attended this morning. I realized it speaks to occasional discussions on Wonder Cafe2.
Matthew 5:21-26

New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition

Concerning Anger

21 “You have heard that it was said to those of ancient times, ‘You shall not murder,’ and ‘whoever murders shall be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that if you are angry with a brother or sister,[a] you will be liable to judgment, and if you insult[b] a brother or sister, you will be liable to the council, and if you say, ‘You fool,’ you will be liable to the hell[c] of fire. 23 So when you are offering your gift at the altar, if you remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother or sister, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are on the way to court[d] with him, or your accuser may hand you over to the judge and the judge to the guard, and you will be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.

The part I highlighted speaks in particular to put down comments. Kelley, the preacher today in Grenville, emphasized this whole passage was about the importance of relationships. She called the threatened punishments deliberate exaggerations to add weight to the importance of our relationships. There were and are moments when I fail to respect another person on this forum, but I try to always show respect. I wanted to start this thread especially for those members who treat the Bible as completely God's word as well as the rest of us to not cheapen our comments by insults directed at others. I beleive we have much to learn and gain from our relationships on thiss forum and will personally try harder to always show respect.

Have a good week everyone.

Shalom.

 

[Luce NDs]

When the great gods are dissonant (Eris; Ayer is!) to they rise in light?

Mourning has broken the mystery ... to a limit ... edge mentality? You cannot see much until getting out there ...
Thence the chance is taken ... seminal blast ... shameful say the gathered ...

 

[Nancy]

This passage was central to our minister's message this week too. Ironic, since the day before I had received a text message from an angry person about how I was doing the Annual Report. Without going into it in great detail, this person was angry and felt within her right to belittle and insult me in a text message. I was incredibly hurt, especially since I tried to address her concerns and she ghosted me and then went to other people to complain. I've decided to take a two week break from church to mellow out a bit. Or find a new church where I won't become a volunteer... I'm of the belief that we can't change others, but sometimes we need to do things to protect ourselves.

 

[jimkenney12]

That is a difficult choice. I suspect the minister can be in a difficult position if some lay leaders are like that.

 

[Nancy]

That is a difficult choice. I suspect the minister can be in a difficult position if some lay leaders are like that.

You are right, and since I don't want to put her in a difficult spot, I will just remove myself for a bit. Or a lot. It will depend on whether I find another place where I can worship purposefully.

 

[Luce NDs]

You are right, and since I don't want to put her in a difficult spot, I will just remove myself for a bit. Or a lot. It will depend on whether I find another place where I can worship purposefully.

As a result many people remove themselves from the edifice ... even Jesus after throwing a fit in there ... peacemakers???? Is there a limit ...

On the matter od balance between emotions and intelligence ... the edge is fractured! It seems we live in it ... so I go to church to observe ... observe what?

You'de be shocked ... like wacked ... they condemn witches that ask shamefull questions about authority ... don't they? Some call it witch unting on either side of the line ... we have to chose what's right! Then we might decide it is time to separate ways ... divined?

 

[BetteTheRed]

@Nancy, I think you are choosing the high road.

And eternal curses on anyone who criticizes the compilation of the Annual Report. Such a person is a candidate for sainthood, FFS.

 

[Redbaron]

I do remember years ago when I was responsible for assembling the annual report, long ago and far away. Someone submitted a report written in pencil, and a somewhat smudgy pencil at that. My first thought when I saw that was "What? You couldn't find your crayons?" I dutifully typed up the report, a few places where the pencil was not readable, I used the phrase (illegible) in the typed version. There were quite a few (illegible)'s in that version, ticked a few people off, one of them the person who submitted the report. I might have been better off just slapping the pencilwork on the copier and using it in the booklet.

 

[Nancy]

Haha Redbaron....Believe it or not, that makes me feel better. I am not alone in my Annual Report misery!

 

[jimkenney12]

You are right, and since I don't want to put her in a difficult spot, I will just remove myself for a bit. Or a lot. It will depend on whether I find another place where I can worship purposefully.

I was thinking it might not be a good place to be a minister. I hope you are able to find a good place to be.

 

[Waterfall]

I was thinking it might not be a good place to be a minister. I hope you are able to find a good place to be.

Although, sometimes isnt it the hard places God wants us to be?

 

[jimkenney12]

Sometimes leaving can be the best way to provoke change. Nancy made several comments implying she felt unappreciated and unhappy with how the congregation functions. As long as her volunteer work keeps the congregation going, they will not change. Sometimes our giving to a poor relationship threatens our well being and we need a time out to take care of ourselves.

 

[Luce NDs]

Is it only imagination (abstract) that allows us to consider why folk are driven from hard edifices? Raw determination ... perhaps said t be rye for polity? Let us drink it in with out Ayres ... space in the brain compound!

 

[Nancy]

Sometimes leaving can be the best way to provoke change. Nancy made several comments implying she felt unappreciated and unhappy with how the congregation functions. As long as her volunteer work keeps the congregation going, they will not change. Sometimes our giving to a poor relationship threatens our well being and we need a time out to take care of ourselves.

Thank you jimkenney. That is a really nice way to put it. And it's kind of how I said it to my friends at church and they seemed very understanding. I am preparing a sermon based on Jesus healing the blind man on the Sabbath, and I've called it "Rejected and Chosen". In it, I am pointing out how the onlookers are talking all around the miraculous event in order to push their own beliefs or agenda. But the formerly blind man is just stating what happened; what he saw; and what he felt. But the Pharisees don't listen. Their heads are too clouded with their own sense of right and wrong. I'm wondering if my current church situation puts me in the position of the blind man or the Pharisee. Trying to figure it out.

 

[Luce NDs]

Thank you jimkenney. That is a really nice way to put it. And it's kind of how I said it to my friends at church and they seemed very understanding. I am preparing a sermon based on Jesus healing the blind man on the Sabbath, and I've called it "Rejected and Chosen". In it, I am pointing out how the onlookers are talking all around the miraculous event in order to push their own beliefs or agenda. But the formerly blind man is just stating what happened; what he saw; and what he felt. But the Pharisees don't listen. Their heads are too clouded with their own sense of right and wrong. I'm wondering if my current church situation puts me in the position of the blind man or the Pharisee. Trying to figure it out.

Anything goes as long as you're on the winning side ... and the support is driven down ... even out 've sight ... so you can't see the mistakes ... creates subtle depressions as dimples in space ... gravitas!

 

[jimkenney12]

Anything goes as long as you're on the winning side ... and the support is driven down ... even out 've sight ... so you can't see the mistakes ... creates subtle depressions as dimples in space ... gravitas!

I do not see this as about winning and losing sides and this comment feels really wrong to me. I believe Nancy is a person who wants everyone to feel like a winner and is not interested in driving anything out of sight or site.

 

[Luce NDs]

Just separate the comment out without references ... how many people in this mess we live in ... live only for winning without consideration of the greater consequence. Perhaps because of lack of conscience?

Know any folk without conscience?