Church Bans Non-Alcoholic Wine and Gluten-Free Bread from Holy Communion

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The Church of England bans non-alcoholic wine and gluten-free bread from Holy Communion:

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Fundamentalists and Christians with gluten allergies will be upset by this. But there's something to be said for doing Communion the Jesus way.
 
Mystic said:
The Church of England bans non-alcoholic wine and gluten-free bread from Holy Communion:

MSN

www.msn.com

Fundamentalists and Christians with gluten allergies will be upset by this. But there's something to be said for doing Communion the Jesus way.
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Alot of gluten free people say they don't have the same problems with bread made in Europe.....have you heard that before?
 
The Church of England is being non-inclusive to anyone with a gluten intolerance or an alcohol use disorder.
 
Mystic said:
The Church of England bans non-alcoholic wine and gluten-free bread from Holy Communion:

MSN

www.msn.com

Fundamentalists and Christians with gluten allergies will be upset by this. But there's something to be said for doing Communion the Jesus way.
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Surely, though, the heart of our faith lies in inclusivity and compassion. Since Communion's a sacred act of unity, it must be accessible to all believers.

What Jesus emphasized was the spirit of the Sacrament. His focus was on sharing love with his disciples. In our modern context, we must embody that same spirit of inclusion.

The best approach to Communion's an inclusive approach to Communion, one that honors people's diverse needs while staying true to the essence of Jesus' teachings
 
Redbaron said:
Doing it "the Jesus way?"
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In the sense of using fermented wine and regular bread. Of course, greater authenticity could be achieved by using Syrian bread.
If you believe in the Real Presence, you will likely want as much authenticity as possible.

That reminds me of a restaurant that offered a "Jesus Mea{" on Easter Sunday, that included tilapia from the Sea of Galilee, Syrian bread, and maybe pomegranates. Considering the holy day, this was very meaningful and memorable for me. But apparently due to secular complaints, the restaurant discontinued this meal on ensuing Easter Sundays. I think the "Jesus meal" idea would have been profitable in the long-term and would have caught on with Christian customers if more of them had knewn about it.
 
Mystic said:
In the sense of using fermented wine and regular bread. Of course, greater authenticity could be achieved by using Syrian bread.
If you believe in the Real Presence, you will likely want as much authenticity as possible.

That reminds me of a restaurant that offered a "Jesus Mea{" on Easter Sunday, that included tilapia from the Sea of Galilee, Syrian bread, and maybe pomegranates. Considering the holy day, this was very meaningful and memorable for me. But apparently due to secular complaints, the restaurant discontinued this meal on ensuing Easter Sundays. I think the "Jesus meal" idea would have been profitable in the long-term and would have caught on with Christian customers if more of them had knewn about it.
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Light consumption? Only trees can manage that ... and provide cover for what they absorbed, etc.

Approximates certain kinds of sinking in process ... not possible with stoned edifices ... they have kohl 'd centers and axis ... like vicious down drafts ...
 
Mystic said:
In the sense of using fermented wine and regular bread.
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So basically you believe that alcoholics and people with celiac just shouldn't be Christians. Is that right? Because that what this would effectively accomplish. And don't say "it's only a little" because that's not their reality. From people with celiac that I have known, including a cousin, it only takes a little gluten to cause a problem for them. That's why "gluten free" has to mean "gluten FREE", without even slight exposure in the manufacturing process.
 
Mystic said:
The Church of England bans non-alcoholic wine and gluten-free bread from Holy Communion:

MSN

www.msn.com

Fundamentalists and Christians with gluten allergies will be upset by this. But there's something to be said for doing Communion the Jesus way.
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If this is the churches biggest problem, they missed the point.
 
Mendalla said:
So basically you believe that alcoholics and people with celiac just shouldn't be Christians. Is that right? Because that what this would effectively accomplish. And don't say "it's only a little" because that's not their reality. From people with celiac that I have known, including a cousin, it only takes a little gluten to cause a problem for them. That's why "gluten free" has to mean "gluten FREE", without even slight exposure in the manufacturing process.
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There's also that alcohol decreases the effectiveness of meds that some people, including myself, take
 
Mendalla said:
So basically you believe that alcoholics and people with celiac just shouldn't be Christians. Is that right? Because that what this would effectively accomplish. And don't say "it's only a little" because that's not their reality. From people with celiac that I have known, including a cousin, it only takes a little gluten to cause a problem for them. That's why "gluten free" has to mean "gluten FREE", without even slight exposure in the manufacturing process.
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Uh, Ffrst, you don't have to take Communion to be a Christian!
Second, if you believe, wrongly, that Jesus and Paul assumed that partaking of the wine and bread is a merely symbolic act, then use grape Kool-Aid, if you must.
Third, Jesus said, "Do this in remembrance of me," meaning drink real wine and consume real bread. So that should be the standard practice.
But I agree that, if health issues are in question, then those vulnerable should be granted special dispensation for non-gluten bread or grape drink.
Some churches pass around separate little trays to accommodate such worshipers.
 
Mystic said:
Uh, Ffrst, you don't have to take Communion to be a Christian!
Second, if you believe, wrongly, that Jesus and Paul assumed that partaking of the wine and bread is a merely symbolic act, then use grape Kool-Aid, if you must.
Third, Jesus said, "Do this in remembrance of me," meaning drink real wine and consume real bread. So that should be the standard practice.
But I agree that, if health issues are in question, then those vulnerable should be granted special dispensation for non-gluten bread or grape drink.
Some churches pass around separate little trays to accommodate such worshipers.
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Jesus' words, "Do this in remembrance of me," emphasize a deep act of obedience. The bread and grape beverage must be treated with reverence. We must honor the sacramental tradition that's been handed down through the ages.

Let's recognize that practical considerations necessitate accommodations. It's great that churches take steps to ensure all can participate in Communion safely.

In all things, let's balance fidelity to Scripture and tradition with compassionate care for people
 
Jae said:
Jesus' words, "Do this in remembrance of me," emphasize a deep act of obedience. The bread and grape beverage must be treated with reverence. We must honor the sacramental tradition that's been handed down through the ages.
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Uh, Jesus doesn't say "grape beveage;" He says "wine." And it is wine that is a sumbol of blood, the blood of Christ.
Jae said:
Let's recognize that practical considerations necessitate accommodations. It's great that churches take steps to ensure all can participate in Communion safely.
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And said "practical considerations"shoule not include the exclusive use of grape juice rather than wine.
As a boy grape juicewas my only Communion option. How much more meaningful it is to dink Communion wine just as Jesus prescribes.
Nowhere in the NT is grape juice approved as an alternative to wine.
 
Mystic said:
Uh, Jesus doesn't say "grape beveage;" He says "wine." And it is wine that is a sumbol of blood, the blood of Christ.

And said "practical considerations"shoule not include the exclusive use of grape juice rather than wine.
As a boy grape juicewas my only Communion option. How much more meaningful it is to dink Communion wine just as Jesus prescribes.
Nowhere in the NT is grape juice approved as an alternative to wine.
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Yes Mystic, Jesus' words "Do this in remembrance of me," call us to a deep act of obedience. The use of bread and wine as symbols of Christ's body and blood has been a long-standing tradition in our faith.

That said, let's please recognize the need for sensitivity. There are Church members, including myself, who simply can't drink wine. In our cases, an alternative, such as grape drink, must be provided
 
Waterfall said:
Alot of gluten free people say they don't have the same problems with bread made in Europe.....have you heard that before?
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Two groups of people here: celiacs, for whom gluten is gluten and destroys their GI tract. Then there are the gluten-sensitive, and it does appear anecdotally to be true that one might be much more sensitive to gluten in America vs. Europe. A sibling corroborates.
 
BetteTheRed said:
Two groups of people here: celiacs, for whom gluten is gluten and destroys their GI tract. Then there are the gluten-sensitive, and it does appear anecdotally to be true that one might be much more sensitive to gluten in America vs. Europe. A sibling corroborates.
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Thanks for clarifying.
 
"Remember me" ... in sticking purely with presence ... mortal really doesn't remember much ... check it out ... some BS tells them not even to think that way ... thinking is a bad process ... causes trouble for CON M'N ... thus done ... it does ...
 
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