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Ritafee

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Content creators like this give me hope.

This is by far the most thoroughly objective analysis of 'the riot' I have watched or read.

The video is clear, concise, and sobering.

It cuts to the truth without being eye-rollingly partisan or predictably political.

It even uncovered to me some of my own blind spots.


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC560MgUEJN4L-mawX3SDsvA
0:14 Opening Compilation
2:09 Introduction
3:26 What is fascism
4:28 What happened?
7:20 Who are these people?
14:32 What was the goal?
17:40 Consequences
24:09 What does this mean?

Well worth the 30 minutes ... IMHO.
 

Luce NDs

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Excess exaggerated freedoms for those that would like to stiff the neighbors? No restrictions allowed ... and long term totality of destruction for whatever the reason! Totalitarians love destruction and the fear and anger that assists in divining the mass ...
 

Waterfall

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It's sad because government is for the people and it would be interesting if any country's people would speak up before it gets this far and before some politician just uses their real concerns as a mere talking point.
Seriously any concern such as healthcare would be justified for Americans to withhold taxes until they get it done.....an insurrection of sorts but if elected officials continue to ignore the real problems out there they do need to be put in their place and back in the role they were meant to do, to serve, and not by those with another agenda such as nazism or cult fascination of a perceived charismatic person, but by real people with legitimate concerns that affect the majority.
What is probably needed is an independent candidate and a law that all candidates have to campaign under the same budget as the other with proof of what they spend when they campaign. Leaving it low enough for others to come forward who may not fit into the now set agenda of current parties.....and may truly have the best interests of the people they serve in mind.
 

Luce NDs

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It's sad because government is for the people and it would be interesting if any country's people would speak up before it gets this far and before some politician just uses their real concerns as a mere talking point.
Seriously any concern such as healthcare would be justified for Americans to withhold taxes until they get it done.....an insurrection of sorts but if elected officials continue to ignore the real problems out there they do need to be put in their place and back in the role they were meant to do, to serve, and not by those with another agenda such as nazism or cult fascination of a perceived charismatic person, but by real people with legitimate concerns that affect the majority.
What is probably needed is an independent candidate and a law that all candidates have to campaign under the same budget as the other with proof of what they spend when they campaign. Leaving it low enough for others to come forward who may not fit into the now set agenda of current parties.....and may truly have the best interests of the people they serve in mind.


Yet there are those that insist the human psyche is not insane in its desire for power ... sheer irrationality? I regress ... I do believe I am wearing down like an old time machine!
 

Lastpointe

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It's sad because government is for the people and it would be interesting if any country's people would speak up before it gets this far and before some politician just uses their real concerns as a mere talking point.
Seriously any concern such as healthcare would be justified for Americans to withhold taxes until they get it done.....an insurrection of sorts but if elected officials continue to ignore the real problems out there they do need to be put in their place and back in the role they were meant to do, to serve, and not by those with another agenda such as nazism or cult fascination of a perceived charismatic person, but by real people with legitimate concerns that affect the majority.
What is probably needed is an independent candidate and a law that all candidates have to campaign under the same budget as the other with proof of what they spend when they campaign. Leaving it low enough for others to come forward who may not fit into the now set agenda of current parties.....and may truly have the best interests of the people they serve in mind.
I am not sure Americans ,in general, think they should have a different health care. When golf partners ask me about how our health works, and I am honest that in lots of ways it doesn’t work, things like wait times, they are astonished. Not wanting to do the same. But appalled.
their collective mind set seems to be everyone should look after them selves. I explain that collectively we pay our taxes to support everyone. They don’t get it. They will say things like. but that is socialism. I respond yes, in a way it is. We work together to try to not leave people behind. Even though in honesty we leave tons of people behind and most European countries do health care much better than us. But we seem to only be able to compare ourselves to the USA

i think it’s a huge difference. And of course most of them can point to health care benefits from their jobs. And when they turn 65 they get free health care anyway. They don’t care about the others. They don’t care about people going bankrupt over health care bills. In general. Obviously hundreds of thousands do. But it is a minority opinion
 

Waterfall

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I am not sure Americans ,in general, think they should have a different health care. When golf partners ask me about how our health works, and I am honest that in lots of ways it doesn’t work, things like wait times, they are astonished. Not wanting to do the same. But appalled.
their collective mind set seems to be everyone should look after them selves. I explain that collectively we pay our taxes to support everyone. They don’t get it. They will say things like. but that is socialism. I respond yes, in a way it is. We work together to try to not leave people behind. Even though in honesty we leave tons of people behind and most European countries do health care much better than us. But we seem to only be able to compare ourselves to the USA

i think it’s a huge difference. And of course most of them can point to health care benefits from their jobs. And when they turn 65 they get free health care anyway. They don’t care about the others. They don’t care about people going bankrupt over health care bills. In general. Obviously hundreds of thousands do. But it is a minority opinion
It's ironic , when medicare was trying to take it's foothold in the provinces starting with Saskachewan (I think) through Tommy Douglas...most everyone opposed it, including most doctors.....even going on strike.
The cries against the socialist concept were LOUD and against. Within a few years though most doctors and people wanted to keep it omce in place.
I was too young to experience that transition fully but I do remember when my own kids were young we had to still pay a fee of approx. $250/month for our Medicare coverage....and when that fee was eventually also done away with it was much better for us financially. Sure we didnt get private rooms in a hospital but it was still better and the doctor was accessed more readily.
I do remember we had to fight for any extra tests we thought we needed....there seemed to be a cap for that with the GP doctors at the time.
I agree were not up to the standards of some countries, for sure, but we're also alot better than others IMO.
When I hear of those in the states being slapped with huge bills if they have no coverage whatsoever....it boggles my mind how they even survive financially.
 

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It's ironic , when medicare was trying to take it's foothold in the provinces starting with Saskachewan (I think) through Tommy Douglas...most everyone opposed it, including most doctors.....even going on strike.
The cries against the socialist concept were LOUD and against. Within a few years though most doctors and people wanted to keep it omce in place.
I was too young to experience that transition fully but I do remember when my own kids were young we had to still pay a fee of approx. $250/month for our Medicare coverage....and when that fee was eventually also done away with it was much better for us financially. Sure we didnt get private rooms in a hospital but it was still better and the doctor was accessed more readily.
I do remember we had to fight for any extra tests we thought we needed....there seemed to be a cap for that with the GP doctors at the time.
I agree were not up to the standards of some countries, for sure, but we're also alot better than others IMO.
When I hear of those in the states being slapped with huge bills if they have no coverage whatsoever....it boggles my mind how they even survive financially.

Tis one of the simple things in life ... reaction to change!

You want complexity ... actually change it! It may explode in your face ...
 

Lastpointe

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It's ironic , when medicare was trying to take it's foothold in the provinces starting with Saskachewan (I think) through Tommy Douglas...most everyone opposed it, including most doctors.....even going on strike.
The cries against the socialist concept were LOUD and against. Within a few years though most doctors and people wanted to keep it omce in place.
I was too young to experience that transition fully but I do remember when my own kids were young we had to still pay a fee of approx. $250/month for our Medicare coverage....and when that fee was eventually also done away with it was much better for us financially. Sure we didnt get private rooms in a hospital but it was still better and the doctor was accessed more readily.
I do remember we had to fight for any extra tests we thought we needed....there seemed to be a cap for that with the GP doctors at the time.
I agree were not up to the standards of some countries, for sure, but we're also alot better than others IMO.
When I hear of those in the states being slapped with huge bills if they have no coverage whatsoever....it boggles my mind how they even survive financially.
My husband and I have calculated our medical costs if we were to live in the USA and give up OHIP. partly because we have friends who have done so. We have discovered that our costs to get health insurance through one of their insurance companies gives us medical coverage for less than what we pay into OHIP through our taxes. Quite significantly actually. That is based on our personal taxes so is obviously different for different people. Of course we wouldn’t do it because we live here six months of the year and he has existing health issues which totally complicates the usa system. But while we love to talk about our free health care, we collectively pay a huge amount to be into our taxes for OHIP. Other provinces I am sure are similar. (And of course the stupid thing is my exorbitant OHIP doesn’t help me in any other province. While my USA insurance would cover me. ) You just don’t see it because it comes out of your taxes. But you can break down the figures

the USA has an inequitable system. The poor are left behind, the ill are left behind. And that is extremely unjust. Their other big issue is related to malpractice. Because people sue for everything, doctors test for everything. That boosts the cost of health astronomically. You go into emerg with a broken leg and you are tested for everything under the sun. Just in case. Unnecessary and expensive

on the other hand, if you need your knee replaced , well how about next Tuesday. Does that work for you? We know a lot of people who therefore use the USA health system for those sorts of things and take out extra insurance coverage for the costs. Beats waiting two years to get your knee done or six months for your MRI
 

Waterfall

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My husband and I have calculated our medical costs if we were to live in the USA and give up OHIP. partly because we have friends who have done so. We have discovered that our costs to get health insurance through one of their insurance companies gives us medical coverage for less than what we pay into OHIP through our taxes. Quite significantly actually. That is based on our personal taxes so is obviously different for different people. Of course we wouldn’t do it because we live here six months of the year and he has existing health issues which totally complicates the usa system. But while we love to talk about our free health care, we collectively pay a huge amount to be into our taxes for OHIP. Other provinces I am sure are similar. (And of course the stupid thing is my exorbitant OHIP doesn’t help me in any other province. While my USA insurance would cover me. ) You just don’t see it because it comes out of your taxes. But you can break down the figures

the USA has an inequitable system. The poor are left behind, the ill are left behind. And that is extremely unjust. Their other big issue is related to malpractice. Because people sue for everything, doctors test for everything. That boosts the cost of health astronomically. You go into emerg with a broken leg and you are tested for everything under the sun. Just in case. Unnecessary and expensive

on the other hand, if you need your knee replaced , well how about next Tuesday. Does that work for you? We know a lot of people who therefore use the USA health system for those sorts of things and take out extra insurance coverage for the costs. Beats waiting two years to get your knee done or six months for your MRI
Interesting, I guess getting health insurance isn't like getting life insurance late in life in the USA....as in the premiums don't go up astronomically if you start paying for a new health plan there?
 

Luce NDs

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Are radical anti democratic, anti-social activities sign of oncoming dictatorship because a powerful part of the demos are deluded?

So much for material and the immaterial being un thunk! Resembles absolute/abstract conflicts that go on in*Eire! Blarney?

Masses of folk are not cognizant of such non-sense as nothing sneaks up on them to lead them away in great trances of love!

Stunned? Few believe in such states ... if they've never been outside those domains ... mental domains are a challenge to construct ... given nothing but mythical material to build with! It could immaterialize in a blink ...

Star vessel stuff ... then there's that bluestone construct ... in the midlands ... half way out ...
 
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We must’ve entered a new dimension :LOL: It’s one day after Biden’s been sworn in and Rita’s posting articles from Jacobin!;)
 
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