Basic Income ... Good? Bad? Ugly?

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Somewhere I saw an article making the point that the CERB and whatever other money lately during Covid made the point that a lot of people would rather not work and get a basic income than work minimum wage jobs, as we can see presently by the large amount of jobs available. ( and by the fact that our agriculture is depending on foreign workers). Those are hard jobs to work. What would wages have to be to make them attractive to Canadians?


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UBI, properly done, would complement any earnings a person may make. CERB rules penalized people for working.
But why would you work if you can live for free? I remember there used to be a tv show called” dirty jobs”. They showed jobs that were dealing with “ dirty stuff” and often under really uncomfortable conditions, like having to crawl into a tight space to clean something very stinky. I remember noticing that the worker they interviewed often seem to be proud of what they do, sometimes it sounded like they had a passion for it. You kind of had to have a passion in order to do it. I wonder, it people just get paid to do nothing if there is even a chance people would try out difficult jobs, because they don’t have to?


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If UBI is $300/week, it would only be enough for a minimal life style:. Shelter, food, public transportation, basic clothing, basic cell phone. Most people want more than that. $300/week would be less than minimum wage at over 25 hours per week.

Luce NDs

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Why would someone do a bottom job when one could be a high paid administrator and not really have any experience on the dirt of life.

The consequence is that life gets dirtier and dirtier and the administration doesn't know why ... obviously something was lost in the cloud and mist!

Remember as one who doesn't know you may stick out as a target ... and the great mother of all will get yah ... tis a dark process, some say dippy ...


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Hee is a letter I sent by email to my MP today regarding UBI. There is a private members bill for UBI which, I believe, is currently in committee.
Dear Mr. Francis Drouin,

If I was more fluent in French, this letter would be in French. Belated congratulations on your success in winning re-election.

I ask you to support the Universal Basic Income bill that is currently, as far as I know, in committee.

A Universal Basic Income would make life better for millions of Canadians, especially people leaving or trying to leave domestic abuse, post-secondary students, people with health or addiction issues, seniors on a minimum income, gig workers including entertainers and artists, and people old and young struggling to survive on low wage and part-time work. I believe several people and organizations are presenting abundant evidence on the benefits of UBI to society as a whole as well as many of the people who receive it.

I would hope that UBI would be provided to every person age 16 or 18 and over that files a tax return. I believe $300/week would make a sufficient difference while not encouraging people not to work. It could replace AOS, GST rebates, and Carbon Tax rebates. It should be seen as completely separate from Employment Insurance. It would provide resilience for society in events such as economic collapses or epidemics without needing to hastily create programs such as CERB.

I see three barriers to UBI. The first is a distorted protestant work ethic that resents money being paid to people just because they need it, a work ethic that ignores the reality we live in a highly connected society in which harm to a few results in harm of some sort for everyone. The second is the resistance of wealthy people to sharing their excess wealth along with the undeniable influence they have on government decision-making. The third is the reality that members of parliament earn more than three times as much as the average Canadian and, as such, would see a substantial increase in their federal income taxes. This increase, depending on the actual revisions to the tax schedule, could amount to about 10% of their income.

I invite you as a person dedicated to public service, a dedication you fill well having earned the trust and support of many to most people in this constituency, will choose to make that sacrifice for the sake of the thousands of people who would benefit from UBI.


Jim Kenney