23/8/23 Action of Protest

[Mendalla]

In terms of the wildfires specifically though, I'm not on the side of having Meta pay for sharing that information (or other situations in the future) and ideally the most up to date information shouldn't be primarily coming from news anyway, news media should be a secondary source.

Right, but news media is what we are talking about. They don't need to pay to carry announcements and such posted directly by the government. The whole dispute is about paying the media companies to use their content. If the government posts an announcement about the Kelowna fire, that is public information and free to the world. If a Globe writer writes a story on the fire, that is the property of the Globe & Mail and they are within in their rights to expect payment for retransmission given that some of us pay per month for the right to access that content.

 

[Luce NDs]

Brain draining is great for the processor if they can do it for free and give nothing in return ... thus humanity takes a downturn because of what is confined, excluded from the common! In the end we shall depart with the 3 rd part of the Moirai ... going four*th into the unknown with a myth for them!

Epi stem ology? Alien logos ... that's something else ...

 

[Northwind]

Thanks for that perspective @Mendalla. I hadn't thought of that. That's a good point.

 

[ChemGal]

Right, but news media is what we are talking about. They don't need to pay to carry announcements and such posted directly by the government. The whole dispute is about paying the media companies to use their content. If the government posts an announcement about the Kelowna fire, that is public information and free to the world. If a Globe writer writes a story on the fire, that is the property of the Globe & Mail and they are within in their rights to expect payment for retransmission given that some of us pay per month for the right to access that content.

Right, but that's where a lot of the negative feedback is coming from right now, that Meta isn't sharing newslinks about the fires. Funnily enough though, with what's happening right now affects the media worse - before it was links/headlines which were intended to be seen for free, even if the article was paywalled. Now to get around the link ban, people are sharing screenshots more than before.

Backing out though to the news media in general and the pay issue - I haven't seen the structure explained well. I would have figured that having links to facebook and other social media as well as Google would drive up clicks to news media websites - which should help them with revenue. I thought that was why most news articles have social media tools right on them - it drives up their revenue when more people see it.

Is the issue just a matter of competition? More companies prefer to advertise with Google and Facebook rather than news sites? If that's all, I don't even see why Meta would care and want to try to play nice other than their public reputation. For the most part, seeking out news isn't a reason people are using their services. People might seek out news while on facebook, but I doubt many are facebook users because of it. Alphabet I see moreso a give and take as people go to Google to seek out news.

Or is the pay structure more click based than I realized? Ie. Meta and Alphabet are getting a cut when someone clicks on a news link on their sites? If people were going to the news media home pages and clicking to news links that way the news media would have more revenue that specific click (not the traffic to the home page in general) results in more money.

 

[Northwind]

We have a couple small local news outlets here. The last two places I lived had similar outlets. They provided free news and mostly used FB to share the news. I have no idea what they did for an income. They are an important part of the communities in this days of corporate owned media that is more interested in the national or American news.

This ban has an impact on these small outlets. The small outlets are import.

We have been slowly losing local news sources. The local newspaper is all but dead. CBC has fewer local news outlets and has been more focused on the bigger picture.

I saw a commentary that said that Marjory Taylor Green would not have gotten as far as she did if the local newspaper with journalists interested in the community still existed. I doubt she is the only person in this position.

I applaud the folks who have the courage to start these local news sources in this day and age.

 

[Delightful Life]

Please see my post in chemgal's

CanCon and the Internet​

thread for good info on these bills

too much news media are saying misinformed things aboot FB and some of these bills...

that said

Eff FB

they don't care aboot human beings
they practice what Corey Doctoraw calls Enshittification, whereby a social media platform initially is good and grabs an audience then over time becomes worse and worse but you can't leave (there is a cost for leaving); all your friends etc are on it. Uber does it. TikTok does it. Amazon does it.

here is a 29 min talk on the concept

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www.abc.net.au

things like google and FB are good reasons to change to a Socialist economy...

 

[Luce NDs]

There is a theory that if you control the news ... there are winning co incidents ... alas still chance or quantum because of eternal diversion of cares and concerns!

Much goes down en mass ... separate and divined from ethers ... that up there! Masada theory about ouranus as misspelled form of a gas giant in deep circuit as a white thing snaking about! Produce of displaced sol in light of the shadow cast!

All this because of fixed and edifices of know-how? Faeces ... know nots? One should know your wastes ... you may have to account for it in prodigal form ...

Prodigal: spending wastefully as light in a darkened place ...
Can a dark idealism justify this? Thus myth and mysterious clouds in memes 1's! Once incurred ... you may feel dippy! Like Isaiah was shamed with the other prophets and myth OS! Bones of the thing ... in cross section ... sliver in times ...

 

[ChemGal]

Listened to an interview on Canadaland with Cabin Radio.
Interestingly they were less concerned with facebook and moreso concerned with the CRTC. Seems odd there can't be a little bit of diversity with radio stations there.

 

[Delightful Life]

Another consequence of these bills has surfaced

Podcasts and streaming services operating in Canada have to Register with the CRTC by Nov 28 of this year

Bizarre but makes sense, given how Fascist our Fed gov't is...

This is the world we live in...

Here is my guy, Michael Geist, on it, what it does and does not entail etc Podcast registry or online censorship scheme? The CRTC has started rolling out new streaming rules - The Hub

 

[Delightful Life]

So interesting that if our world were just a few years ago, all of this would seem like an Alex Jones conspiracy theory, eh? :3

(turned oot one of his big bugaboos was right...)

 

[Luce NDs]

So interesting that if our world were just a few years ago, all of this would seem like an Alex Jones conspiracy theory, eh? :3

(turned oot one of his big bugaboos was right...)

Or imagine something contrary to an Alex Jones drive to be a bullhorn ... a lessor sense of power ... sublime layer in the myth ... mute state? Awesome ...

May resemble a book, or tome as something else to read into ... so much to interpret that it may seem ultimately unlikely ... interminable? Perhaps nt determined by determinates ... one must flow a bit ... word is like that if you study the evolution thereof ... many misrepresent what was exposed ... as there was no word for the booty ...