Why Do We Have to Believe Jesus is Fully God and Fully Human to be a Christian?

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Read the whole chapter here -----

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+3&version=NKJV

I am posting verse 23 because it pertains to what I have been saying ------being a Religious Christian had nothing to do with us believing in Jesus being Human and Divine ------it is all about believing by the right Faith that Jesus was Human and divine ------Man made Religion can't make you believe that ---

God Commands us to believe it here ------

22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave [f]us commandment.

We believe by and through Faith -------This Faith comes from rearing and reading the Word -------

and notice -----first command is to believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ -----only then ----can we do the second command -------Love one another ------you can't skip the first command to fulfil the second -------
 

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Hi,
I am not writing from a religious perspective, nor am I trying to co-opt the secular meaning of spirit. I am simply saying that there is an aspect of human being that cannot be pinned down. What motivates you to say and do the things you say and do?

George
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Interesting how different people take the concept of "spirit". I do not believe in "Spirit" as a supernatural being(s). However, "Spirit" as a term for that which motivates, inspires, and energizes us certainly fits in my world view. It's really just a metaphor for our values and motivations, though, not a thing unto itself.
 

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In his essay “The Humanity and Divinity of Jesus,” Martin Luther King, Jr. claimed, “To say that the Christ, whose example of living we are bid to follow, is divine in an ontological sense is actually harmful and detrimental.” He believed that to simply label Christ as divine on a supernatural level, rendered that goal unachievable, like an excuse for humans to not live as Jesus did. “The true significance of the divinity of Christ lies in the fact that his achievement is prophetic and promissory… Christ was to be only the prototype of one among many brothers.”
 

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Hi,

Walked with some kids yesterday. We were about ten thousand persons. Each of us in some way longing for a change of trajectory in the hope of healing and renewal of the natural realm; which is the ground of our human being.

There was a spirit of hope in the air. I trust that such a spirit is contagious and many will be infected. Each in a personal way turning from the multiplied paths of exploitation and oppression to the path of personal development and cooperative enterprise. Bit by bit enacting a transformation apart from the political realm.

Politics caused our problem and politics unable to solve it. This as persons motivated by intuition and not by desire. Which we see in the examples of Buddha, Lao Tzu, Socrates, Jesus and others of all times and places. Each walking away from the structures of power to explore the possibilities of freedom and responsibility. Each inspiring and encouraging seekers of truth here, there and everywhere.

The principles of division (devil) and accusation (satan) are now ruling the earth. Along with many others I am highly resistant to the abuse of power now in play. I see unity of vision and purpose as the key to hope. This with absolutely no trace of coercion seeking conformity. Jesus did not change the world politically. He changed it spiritually. Which is not to be equated with religion. Religion being beneficial where well used. Problematic where misused. Dangerous where abused. As we now see in the unfolding drama of our history.

Walking through the city I thought of Joshua and the battle of Jericho. Then I thought of Jesus entering Jerusalem in a donkey and cheered by children. Symbolic actions serve to inspire and encourage resistance to the way of power by which the earth and its peoples are being destroyed.

George
 

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For those of you that do not believe Jesus was God but instead anointed by God as His servant or as someone who leads us to God. Do you still worship Jesus through music and in prayers and bow your head at the cross?

If the old testament God is the same as the new testament God, then:
Exodus 20:3-4
"You shall have no other Gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."

I am fine with finding and being led to God through Jesus' and his message, but why worship Jesus? Did Jesus ask us to?
 

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God is a formless, dark mystery like a hole in physical matter ... where the light shines through shadowy existence!

Relax nothing will pass with a serene bump ... or donkeys grinding away ... a fault of literature? A mire crack in the page buoyd ...

Without binding these may flutter surly! The mad effect of winds on light registrations of thought ... well logged!

Therein the point of gravity ... it grabs similar to alien cognizance! Given what we really understand ... is something missing yet?

The bubble fulminates ... "O" its ewe ... or a shue win!
 

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I am fine with finding and being led to God through Jesus' and his message, but why worship Jesus? Did Jesus ask us to?
I'm of the understanding that Jesus asked us to worship God - not himself. Jesus's role was to bring us to a clearer understanding of God.
Jesus is important to me, not to worship, but to give me a clearer understanding of what God requires of me - to love God and my neighbour.

Personally, I think that's more than enough for Christians to concentrate on. Too many Christians, i.m.o., are more interested in punishment (of others) and rewards (for them) .........
 
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